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Am I taking a Gun on the Appalachian Trail
One of the first things many people ask me when I say I’m getting ready to hike the trail is “Are you taking a gun?”. To be fair, it’s one of the first questions I asked when I started researching. So although the answer seems obvious to me now, it’s a normal question. So, although I’m hardly the first to do so, I’m going to cover the topic today.
Long Story Short: no I will not carry a gun
Guns are Heavy
Listen, one of my number one concerns preparing to hike the trail is how much (or preferably little) my pack will weigh. So I am not lugging a gun with me for more than two thousand miles. Ain’t gonna happen. My target pack weight is 12lbs. A gun weighs around 5lbs. So, despite being comfortable with American’s rights to own and carry guns, for me the trail is not a place to have one.
The Trail is Low Crime
There have only been a handful of murders on the Appalachian Trail since the 1970s, and it was likely less frequent before then. This is certainly a lower crime rate than what I face in my home city. Statistically, I’ll be safer on the AT than I am walking home from work. As for robbery, I’ll reduce the risks for this by not taking jewelry and not camping near roads. A gun is not something I would want to involve in a robbery anyways.
I Want Other Hikers to Hang out with Me
I’ve joined a lot of hiker forums and groups (such as the Trek, hey thanks for having me) and the general consensus is that guns have no place on the Appalachian Trail. If you’re carrying a gun strapped to your pack people may well avoid you. Best case scenario you’ll get a trail name related to the gun. So carrying a gun might alienate me, but more than that carrying guns on the trail won’t foster the kind of community I want to see out there. I want the Appalachian Trail to continue to be the kind of place where we don’t bring those kinds of outside concerns. Yes, we should be safe, stay in communication with other hikers as well as home, and hike away from people that give a bad vibe.
They’re Impractical
Okay, let’s say I’m in a scenario on the trail where I want to use a gun. I wouldn’t want it if I was being robbed. In the case of a robbery, I’m always just going to give up whatever I have because no physical possessions are worth my life. So someone is trying to kill me or my dog, or abduct me somehow. How is the gun going to help me? If it’s inside my pack I’d have to unstrap it, dig through it, find the gun… It would be too late by the time I got it. Even if it were strapped to the outside of my pack I’d have to get the pack off to get to it, and again we run into the problem of other hikers being deterred from sharing their company with me.
I Won’t Use it Everyday
There are so many “what-if” items I could take on the trail. If I took all of them I’d never finish the trail because my pack would be too heavy to enjoy anything. So I’ve come up with criteria things must meet to make it into my pack. Do I need it to survive? Does it have multiple functions? Can something else in my pack replace this item? Will I use it every day? Actually, I could probably make a flow chart about this. Expect a flow chart.
State Laws Vary
While it is now legal to carry a gun through national parks with the correct permits, the Appalachian Trail Conservancy discourages carrying firearms on the trail. Then there’s the matter of having the correct permits for all the states, and having concealed carry permits. Sure, I could carry a gun on my belt, but what about when I have my coat on, or my poncho? Can I take it into shops? For me, it’s not worth worrying about all of this.
Other Things I Won’t Carry
There are many things that people ask if I’ll be taking or suggest I should take. I’m not taking most of them because I’m going minimalist. Which is part of the essence of the trail. In particular, I won’t be taking a knife, or bear spray, or any other sort of weapon. Well, I might take a pocket knife for opening food packages or spreading peanut butter, but even that is iffy. I’m getting close to putting up a finalized pack list though, so expect that soon. (As final as a pack list can be this far out from my start date.)
What I will do to Stay Safe
I won’t hitchhike alone. I will check in my family at home on a regular basis. I’ll sign into log books, and read the log books to know what’s coming ahead. The AT has a fairly tight community and during last year’s through hiking season I kept close tabs on many hiker forums, and saw how quickly reports of someone being suspicious or even disrespectful on the trail on the trail travels, and that hostel owners and ridge runners follow up on these reports to help make sure the trail is safe. I will be acutely aware of my surroundings and move away from situations that seem off. Finally, I plan to connect with other hikers and be a part of the community. We watch out for each other out there.
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” So someone is trying to kill me or my dog, or abduct me somehow. How is the gun going to help me?”
WOW, just.. wow!
Never make it with a 12 pound pack and be self sufficient. Sorry.
I had a 10lb base weight on the AT and was completely self sufficient. You obviously don’t have much experience long distance hiking.
How 10lbs??? I’m trying to get down to 40!!! Please email me!!!
Base weight and total weight are two different things……. I can go for 5 days …. And survive 20 deg evenings….. my pack with all contents weighs 27 lbs ( includes 2 liters of water) there is a guy called Eric The Black and he has a total list of gear he uses with weights ….good luck
People who carry such light weight packs are short section hikers in the best of weather. Early Spring on the A.T. can be deadly cold. Don’t encourage people to take chances.
I guess what Griz didn’t mention in his comment is he had a 10lb baseweight for his thru-hike. He hiked the whole trail again this year, I’m not sure if he had the same baseweight.
My baseweight also ended up being under 10lbs. I didn’t die or anything.
How?? I would so appreciate you emailing me a list or something…I’m not creepy or anything just trying to get my pack weight down before I go on longer hikes
What’s your email?
carry everywhere you go and keep it accessible
I agree, it’s totally stupid to not carry a weapon when hiking in the mountains. Shit happens, and it’s best to be armed. I don’t care for the company of snowflake liberals who find it not important to carry a gun. I’ve toted a weapon all my life and it’s saved me many times. From animals and people. Quite frankly, I trust a bear over most people.
I don’t gun carry while hiking, but I do strap 2 sticks of dynamite to my chest just in case. One stick of dynamite only weighs 4oz, so it won’t weigh you down. Another lighter option is C-4 (plastic explosives). You can pick up dynamite for about $10 a lb., while C-4 explosives will set you back about $17 a lb. Both will serve you well on your hike, especially when being attacked by a huge group of bears, wolves or worse, a large group of non-toting liberals. ?
I never have needed a gun but i never leave home without one, and anyone who is so naïve to think its safe to go walking in the mountains and deep woods without one, probably isn’t reading this, because they are missing and provided a good dinner for a hungry bear or wolves. Or provided pleasures for a madman before he did away with them. My 10mm allows me to enjoy my adventure and in the event something tries to eat me or worse, I at least will have a chance to save my hide! Concealed carry means exactly that, no one ever sees it and it is always with me……..
I have camped 600+ nights in the woods. Had a bear in camp more than once, which was scary but not deadly, saw plenty of bears, rattlesnakes, coyotes, raccoons, possums, turtles, deer, turkey, grouse, quail, and on and on. Hiked in rain, snow, hail, ice, and hundred degree humidity. I hiked up Cole mountain the night they pulled a body off it – suspected homicide – but with no suspect. The worst threat is bugs. Ticks will get you Lyme disease and a host of others. Mice will get you hanta virus, mosquitoes carry all kinds of pathogens. Nothing like swatting your arm and killing 20 mosquitoes at one swipe! People forget about the microbes, but microbes have killed more combatants in war than bullets. I suspect that is also true of thru hikers. You don’t need a gun on the AT. You need to know when it is OK to drink that water straight up and when you ought to filter it. Just like with water, you need a good filter for bad people, and stay away from them. We’ve all met that guy we’d rather be some miles away from. What you need on the trail is a friend or two.
So true
Yes. I was going to comment on the gun issue, but when I saw that this hiker didn’t even plan to take a knife necessarily, I realized that that was probably a completely inaccessible issue in her case.
It’s difficult for me to imagine the mindset behind hiking 2000 miles without taking a knife. There’s no way I could explain to her the option of taking along a small handgun for personal protection.
I understand it’s an option, I just don’t believe it’s necessary.
Nothing is ever necessary….until it’s actually needed. Hear how silly your argument is yet?
Sure, murders have occurred on the AT, but more people have died due to falling coconuts. Do you wear a helmet at the beach too? You probably won’t need it…”until it’s actually needed”. Some people choose to live their life in a state of fear (I’m sure you call it “preparedness”), some people can assess the risks for what they are.
I wish Ronald Sanchez was carrying a gun when the maniac threatened to light his tent in fire on Monday. Instead of being HACKED to death he would have protected himself.
Exactly …
I’ve hiked before but I’ve never height long enough to stay overnight I’ve been intrigued Lately by the idea of the Appalachian Trail simply because of the site’s the history and the outdoors my main concern is people looking to cause harm and most of all bears or mountain lions trying to attack so with that being said I would want to take my sidearm with me. I was wondering how difficult it would be to get permits for each state and would you have any tips for me along the way thanks
I respect your decision, but your weight estimate is WAY off. You can easily find a gun that ways less than a pound. Some can be had in the 6-7 oz range. And can easily be factored into a sub 10lb base weight.
The difference is that the coconut doesn’t make a conscious decision to attack me and it’s unlikely any coconut ever will. So taking the risk of not wearing a helmet is different than taking the risk of not having anything with which defend one’s life.
The fact that some people are proactive in having a saying on how to defend their lives doesn’t mean that the “live in fear”, it simply means they make a conscious decision of having a means to defend themselves should they need arises to do so. You make a conscious decision of not doing so based on statistics. Two different approaches I guess. But labeling people who take a proactive approach as if they live in fear is a very simplistic view.
Agreed. It’s one thing to be a pacifist and another to be anti-gun.
In this day & age I would definitely pack a gun several Knives & a walking stick that the rubber end comes off to expose a spike Definitely have bear spray also Im not going to be anyones victim. Period.
I take a gun and if someone trying to attack me while I’m on my tent I can defend my self, you’re going to run screaming for help and die.
I’m not going to lying down near coconut trees.
Yeah being living in a state of “preparedness” means you are assessing the “risks for what they are” and preparing for it. you c u c k.
Not going to comment on anyone’s particular choices, but if you chose to make a public statement of facts, please get your facts straight. Do you have any idea what firearms weigh 5 lbs? In my opinion, a suitable firearm for the AT us about a pound. Do you need it? Will you ever need it? Those are unanswerable questions and one of the reasons I’ve carried on a daily basis for over 49 years. When you Google the question of firearms the first posting that pops up includes verbiage about having enough paper for the Taj Mahal. Another incorrect public statement. Most decent CCW states have reciprocity with every state on the AT except the Fab 5.MD,NH,NY,CT and MA. yes you can legally carry concealed or open in the other 9 states, yes you have to be aware of their state restrictions which in most cases are fairly common sense. My only decision is do I go through the expense of shipping a firearm around those states from one FFL to another, or not. Certainly make your own decisions on what gear you want to take but don’t expound falsehoods while doing so.
NH might not have as much reciprocity, but they honor 51 different carry licenses (including NYC and DC).
Not that it’s needed. NH is a full “constitutional carry” state; no license is needed to carry a handgun loaded or unloaded, openly or concealed. There isn’t even a state minimum age to carry, and the only place off-limits by statute are courthouses (where they will happily check your gun at the door and give it back when you leave, as long as you’re not leaving in handcuffs).
I’ve long since quit trying to change opinions of any I’m not somehow responsible for. I also spent twenty plus years in the Infantry because I believe in an individual’s right to pursue their life, as long as it doesn’t infringe upon my right to pursue mine. Or they don’t expect me to pay for or fund their choices and/or consequences.
Enjoy your trip, have a positive outcome, and stay safe!
Margaret, no offense but your article sets up strawman arguments with how and why someone would carry a firearm or knife. By your criteria, knowing some basic self defense is not necessary, vigilance is not necessary and indeed more generally, extra water is not necessary, a med kit is not necessary, more advanced navigation tools are not necessary, etc.
The media estimates of peer reviewed studies on how many crimes are prevented by non-LEO with firearms per year is about 1.7 million (estimates run from a low of 500,000 to a high of three million per year, per 2013 National Academy of Science metastudy, in National Academy Press). Now you certainly do not want to deploy a firearm if you are not reasonably threatened enough with bodily harm to use it, but in fact the data show over 99% of the time, simply showing the firearm stops a violent crime attempt.
I’m with a federal agency, 5’6″, quite fit, and have trained in non weapons self defense, and still carry a small firearm to protect myself and my family when on hikes or camping whenever the law allows (and on the majority of the Appalachians the law allows it for both off duty LEO and for civilians). The fact is even in cities and dense towns responders arrive in time to interdict violent crime under 3% of the time. On the trail it is going to be 0% of the time.
Setting up a strawman or red herring by (correctly) stating a handgun is not going to protect you 100% of the time and therefore of no utility or benefit, is not helpful to any discourse. The fact is, on average, it will make you safer to one degree or another.
By the way consider a small .380, my backup/off-duty, with six rounds, weighs under one pound.
Excellent response.
Very well said, Jess. A lot of people still mistake that a .380 isn’t sufficient, which is incorrect. With the modern ammo available now, it has plenty of stopping power if you are competent and can put them on target. Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore, Hornaday, etc. I’ve carried a BG380 on the Colorado Trail and forgot I even had it in my pocket. When in Brown Bear country, it’s a Glock and bear spray. A little more weight but the piece of mind against both 4 and 2 leggers is worth it to me. Of course, I have a few less than lethal items, such as Fox Labs OC, knife, etc. I’ve trained in MMA since the mid 90’s (on and off) and can usually take care of myself in most situations, however idiots sometimes come in packs, and spray is worthless upwind. Never had to use any of it but the piece of mind makes for a happier hike – at least for me, and especially when I have family / kids.
Good reply. I’d go a bit further and say that as far as people-type predators are concerned, the caliber is nearly irrelevant. The reports I’ve read say that in 90% of the times a gun is used to stop a crime, the gun isn’t fired. So caliber doesn’t matter. In about 5% of the times, the gun is fired but the bad guy departs unwounded. So now we are at 95% of the incidents. In about another 5% of the incidents the bad guy is wounded to some degree: maybe in the pinky finger, the ear lobe, between the eyes, dead center. So in some subset of the last 5% caliber does probably matter, and possibly quite a bit.
So in 95% of incidents, caliber doesn’t matter, and a .22, .25, or .380 would be just fine: it’s the presence of the gun and the owner’s proficiency and willingness to use it which stops the incident.
I agree that a gun inside the pack, or strapped to the outside where it is inaccessible is pointless. It has to be available, and loaded, or what is the point?
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I want stopping power on the first shot, not the seventh.
I totally agree with this comment.
I was in the Army for a long time. There were times when we were doing patrols in many parts of out state parks and training area. On many occasions we encountered so many people. Some were good citizens and some definitely upto no good and only reason they did not act out was because we were soldiers and out numbered them, or they knew better no to mess with us.
Anyone doing the Appalachian Trail would have to be very naive to hike it with less than 50lbs worth of necessities and a powerful handgun like a 10mm,45 cal, a 9mm. I would even consider taking a 357 mag as a back.
Do your research before you go. Lots of bad people out there and hungry bears that will be coming out of hibernation and looking for food. Staying safe is priority. Good luck to all. I hope to see some of you out there if my wife lets me do the trail this spring/summer.
Because it isn’t necessary. In 2017 Caboose and I knew a few hikers who started in Georgia with a gun in their pack. Without exception, they all sent it home within a month. I carry concealed in the real world, but would not consider it on a thru hike.
They “sent them home” ? Hopefully they’re familiar with with the minefield of federal laws dictating the mailing of handguns.
It’s really not hard, you just ship it to a FFL licensed person, how do you think guns get into the bajillion stores around the country? Shipping. You can buy a gun in a southern state like…lightning quick.
You can just do it yourself with a FFL license, which you can just buy yourself if you’ve want to get once, or, as a part of all of the pre-planning involved with planning a thru-hike, I’m sure you could just make a request at your local gun shop, or one along the route, to accept your own firearm shipped to you around a certain date, they’re already receiving and holding a ton of guns every single day through the mail. Especially if the reason you’ve got for it is to be able to not deal with a state that doesn’t let you carry.
If I were carrying it in a pack I’d send it home too. There is no reason to have anything which, if needed, will be needed RIGHT NOW, if you are going to carry it inside a pack.
Until it is….If I were a woman I would DEFINITELY carry. I’m a pretty big guy so I’m good with my knife. Please at least carry a knife. You can just tell yourself you are bringing it to widdle when you’re bored. The safety of you and you’re dog should be a higher priority.
Seatbelts are not necessary until they are. It is much better to be armed and not need it than need it and not be armed. Those of us who do carry every day feel a firearm is exactly like a seatbelt. An essential safety device. Just as I do not feel comfortable when I do not wear my seatbelt (which is pretty much never). I feel the same when I cannot carry my pistol. I feel that an essential safety device is not present. I especially feel that way when in the woods. We have cougar, wolves, bear, and coyotes here, not to mention two legged predators. I highly recommend taking some basic gun safety courses to familiarize yourself with firearms so they are not so frightening to you. There are many resourcy available. If you need help finding one I would be happy to assist. Have a great day.
I’m not frightened of guns. Are you always so condescending towards women or is it only women who are confident enough to do things that scare you?
I’m also not scared of the dark and know that there aren’t wolves or cougars on the AT, and that black bears aren’t a threat to people.
Of course if someone feels more comfortable carrying they should I have no objections. But it’s not necessary on the trail and there’s a reason the vast majority of through hikers don’t carry.
How many long trails have you thru-hiked? Come back and lecture me on the necessity of carrying a gun on one when you’re as experienced as I am, or as the many experienced backpackers that I took advice from when compiling my gear list.
He doesn’t even mention anything about women… wtf are you on?
I am a woman you twit.
Margaret, he knew you were a woman. Like me, he’s thinking that maybe the previous poster was condescending in general and only a woman would think the condescension was because she was a woman.
An AR-15 weighs around 6 lbs, what kind of concealed carry handgun are you toting around? Lol
Many guns can weigh about 1 lb.
The argument that you wouldn’t be able to reach your handgun in time because it’s stowed away in your pack doesn’t make sense. People will normally keep it right accessible on their bodies and can conceal it so that nobody around them feels intimidated.
I understand trying to keep pack weight down as I’ve ruckmarched many times and many long distances in mountain within the French foreign legion, but to go about even leaving a knife out your pack…
Im sure most if not all of your hikes will be successful without little to no issues with humans or animals.
However the chance always exists.
To say black bears are not a threat to humans is just one of the most naive comments I’ve heard in my life.
They can and will tear you limb from limb if they feel intimidated, if they are feeling territorial, have their Cubs around, or are hungry. Don’t underestimate black bears.
Nice you to try and put an article together for other hikers but most of your opinions about firearms on the trail just sound like somebody living in a fairy tale world where nothing bad or unfortunate ever happens.
Not trying to be condescending but your article didn’t make sense throughout every section.
Ah yes, written as someone who truly has no experience backpacking.
I’m afraid you’ve been mistaken. The majority of responders here pro-guns.
If you don’t like guns, don’t carry one.
Sounds to me like you’re so scared of them you’re even scared of how looking at them or being looked at with one makes you or others feel. It’s funny to me that you’re getting so upset.
Margaret I’ve noticed those that are arguing for carrying a gun on the AT seem to not have spent any time on the AT or any over night trail for that matter. It doesn’t matter if a gun weighs 1 lb. or 5 lbs., if they had any experience on the trail they would realize that when you’re climbing mountains every day for 5-6 months even things that weigh almost nothing are being left in hiker boxes and trash cans along the 2200 mile trail. Anything that doesn’t get used everyday and serve more than one purpose are being left behind.
If your article would have been about you not carrying a camp axe there would be inexperienced hikers arguing for carrying a camp ax too
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Well I will carry when I do the AT I do have a conceal permit also no one on the trail needs to know I’m carrying there are compact guns that don’t weight much
Necessary? Hopefully not. Guns are like fire extinguishers. You hope you never need one, but if you need one, you’re glad you have one. That said. It’s totally acceptable to choose not to carry one. However, If you did, you should not bury it in your pack. It should be accessible, but concealed. Hope you never need one for obvious reasons. 🙂
Naive
So I have never been on the AT it sounds very open and close to civilization I have thought about going but know very little iam used to primitive camping in places without a 50lb pack and a rifle and survival skills you won’t make it is any part of the trail like that very far away from civilization and people just empty space
Nah, when I hiked in 2018 more than 4,000 other people successfully completed a north bound through hike. There’s something like 2 million people who hike on the AT every day.
The closest thing on the AT would be the 100 mile wilderness right before Katahdin. It’s absolutely gorgeous and I recommend the hike. There are still a couple road crossings but they’re remote roads. And there are still a lot of other hikers.
Now, if you want a long distance trail that’s remote, the continental divide trail is more like that. But as of 2018 the entire trail is blazed. A lot more remote than the AT though. I think any trail that’s entirely blazed though isn’t really like that.
How about fire extinguishers? Do you find them necessary, or do you feel you will never need one? The same with a firearm. You hope you never need one, but damn glad you have one if needed.
I hiked the entire Appalachian trail with a mini swiss army knife. I used it to cut paracord once and it was mainly used to slice cheese. So yeah. You can easily hike AT without a knife. Some people bring just 1 razorblade. Have you ever thru hiked?
Wow, look at you, Mr. Eliteist. You’re accomplishment is so amazing.
Thats how these people are. It’s disgusting. They’re also known as “gatekeepers”.
Woah James. Griz is not a gate keeper. He gave me advice online before I ever got out on the trail and was supportive to many other aspiring through hikers. I was lucky enough that I happened to run into him out on the trail too and he was nothing but kind. He’s not gatekeeping, he’s just pointing out that most people with actual backpacking experience would not be attacking me for this thread. He’s never said that people who carry a gun aren’t real hikers or can’t be on the trail or something.
Ditto the small Swiss Army knife. Used the scissors more than the blade!
But you did use it.
Back in the 1970s I backpacked around the world, mostly alone, mostly by local bus, some by hiking, some by hitchhiking, and I carried a Swiss Army knife across the US, Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Central, South, and SE Asia. I can’t imagine making that trip without a knife. I used it multiple times a day.
As for protection, I listened to my gut several times and am glad I did, but there are situations in which one cannot simply walk away: the predator won’t let you. About the same time I was going round the world, a high school acquaintance of mine did some of the same hitchhiking I did in the US: he called home from Santa Fe to say he was on his way to California. He’s never been heard from again. Over forty years ago.
The problem isn’t that predators are so very common. The problem is that they are predators: they are looking for victims, and some are homicidally violent. People who put themselves in isolated places are well advised to understand that predators are looking for people like them. Some of them are quite charming, and some of them like camping.
I expect our house will never burn down, not while we own it, not afterwards. Not ever. Am I foolish for having fire extinguishers and fire insurance? Same thing.
But I hiked the entire AT and didn’t use a knife.
No, but you’d be foolish for keeping an entire firetruck on your property and insisting everyone else should too or they weren’t prepared enough.
Thank you for the reply. I agree that having the fire truck would be overkill, but a fire extinguisher is another thing. Nearly all people go their entire lives without needing a fire extinguisher or fire insurance, but I’m not sure how that makes having either unimportant.
I can’t get by at home without a knife. I’m perfecting willing to accept that you did so on the AT. It just seems like an experience far different from any wilderness experience I’ve experienced, and yes, I’ve had some in places like northern Pakistan, Jordan, Idaho, and other places without convenient stores and restaurants for frequent resupply.
Thanks to modern advancements, we don’t need a firetruck if we can nip it in the bud w an extinguisher. Same w predators, we don’t need cannons or police if we can nip things in the bud w a compact firearm.
I’m with you, Griz. I also thruhiked by myself with a mini Swiss Army knife and used it to cut salami. I wish that people who weren’t thru hikers would not comment here. There is no need to carry a firearm on the AT. It scares me to think that people are carrying – there are already so many instances of people in regular life accidentally shooting friends and family members who they think are intruders, of firearms accidentally discharging – I would hate to be camped near a jumpy hiker who was holding a gun while they listen to every rustle and strange noise in the woods. Margaret, I am with you and your decision is completely reasonable. This isn’t elitist to not carry a gun or a heavy knife.
I was going to give a serious response to your comment. Then I read the end of your comment and realized you have zero experience with guns or people who carry guns. You base your entire reasoning on some bs you got from the news or an anti gun politician. I agree you don’t need a gun on the trail but your reasons are complete bs based on phobia. As for a knife I wouldn’t go anywhere without a knife. It not a protection thing it a tool and usefulness thing. I use a knife everyday for all kind of things and could survive weeks with just a knife.
I find it hysterical as well as very ironic that you make fun of people who carry guns and label them as people who “live in fear” while simultaneously shouting that you’re scared of people who carry them and in fear of them?
This entire subject matter is just stupid. Some people want to carry a gun and some do not. There’s no one here who is wrong or right. No one should be attacking anyone who wants to carry one and no gun carrying people should be making fun of people who wish not to.
I’m not going to go anywhere without it and it’s just that simple. I carry a Smith and Wesson 38+P , 5 round revolver that’s legendary and weighs??? 14 ounces!!!
Less than a bottle of water… So please don’t come up with lame reasons like it adds weight because that’s just absurd, or you won’t be able to get to it because it’s in your backpack. Well that’s pretty stupid, and I wouldn’t recommend carrying it in your backpack!!!
There’s no right or wrong answer here so everyone grow up. But I can absolutely assure you ONE thing and one thing for sure. It will only take ONE time that a group of hikers is being mauled to death by an angry black bear and it’s shot dead by a gun carrying hiker before everyone will change their view…
You’re obviously not a backpacker. There’s not really a comfortable/convenient way to wear a gun/gun belt when you’re wearing a pack. There’s a reason that many people who carry in day to day life don’t carry on the trail.
Also guns are not the most effective deterrent for an attacking black bear. It’s not as if a hiker has never been mauled by a black bear before, or as if no one has ever shot one. I still am not going to carry on trail. Especially not the AT.
Loud noises may or may not deter a bear, guess how loud a gunshot is, significantly louder than anybody yelling at a bear.
To say somebody isn’t a backpacker because you think that there is no way to comfortable wear a sidearm while hiking….good lord.
Do a checkup on YouTube on the many comfortable ways to carry a sidearm while carrying a pack.
M’y experience tells me you have no experience hiking with a firearm.
It’s ironic that White upper class American women scream about how bad White men are and our guns, yet you call the police when you see a black kid in your neighborhood or call 911 when you back your Volvo station wagon into a tree and who shows up? A White guy with a buzz cut and Oakley’s named Jeff or Mike or Brian trying to sort things out. Hate us, but know you’re just driving a wedge.
Tell that to the family of the 22 year old killed by a 300 pound black bear hiking in nj.
A Rutgers student who was killed by a bear while hiking in New Jersey snapped photos of the 300-pound beast before it chased him, mauled him — and even gouged the phone the victim used to take his last pics
Carla your right, they are not all though hikers, let that sink in!!
Daniel and Carla, she wasn’t a thru hiker when she wrote the article either, nor did she know a thing about guns. LET THAT SINK IN!
I’ve been observing the chatter about firearms with some amusement, but thought I’d stay out of it. Until reading Carla’s comments. Accidentally shooting one another? Accidental discharge? Shooting at noises? My Cousin Vinny was a movie, ok. It’s ok that you’ve never held a gun or even seen one. They don’t go off accidentally. They always require someone to pull the trigger. A gun cannot fire on its own….ever.
Firearms do go off accidentally. It’s not going to happen with a well made gun, but it happens. And there are roughly 400 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. I personally am not bothered by other people carrying. But to say accidental discharges are impossible is simply inaccurate.
Unfortunately this is the mindset that’s trying to ruin our country. Liberals and their BS ideas about guns. Screw em. I’m a free American, and I do go armed. 2nd amendment all the way.
Nope. It is your divisive mindset that is ruining our country. Stop screaming about liberals as if we are all one great big giant monolith. We are Americans and we are your fellow citizens and we have the right to our opinions including those of us who own and carry guns.
Agreed. Almost , well not almost
…EVERY hiker/camper I know would at the very least carry a knife. I’m not going to criticize someone I do not know but I cannot agree with her mindset.
Having completed the hike, my only issue with not having a knife would be practical. I used mine often, but mostly in regards to food and food prep. As the author states, a gun is just plain heavy. By Vermont we were already eying our 2 liters(4 lbs) of water before climbs. I can’t imagine knowing that I’ve got 5 lbs of useless(in the context of the trail) weight in my bag..
Wildlife isn’t a safety issue unless you’re looking for it, and sketchy people are easy avoid if they make you uncomfortable.
My dad and I considered bringing a gun and bear spray. Decided against the gun before we left home, and dumped the spray at Amicalola before the start.
What gun are you considering packing that weighs 5 lbs? A fully loaded Beretta 92FS, a full metal, full sized, big and bulky duty gun is just a little over 2 lbs. You debating carrying a whole AR15? lmao.
I’ve only done the Ga. part of the AT. But you damn right I and my partner had a gun, extra ammo and a big knife. These remarks about not taking a gun are hilarious. Obviously you anti trail gun people probably don’t even own one. The statement of being in more danger in your home town is correct especially my home town. However if you are trained to be a survivor you know evil can strike anywhere and I stay prepared weather it’s in church or the trail. You must know what you are doing however and have the right mind set to go with what ever weapon you choose. No if you taking a hand gun don’t pack it in the bottom of your pack , that’s useless. I bought a nylon pouch , not a holster that hangs from front of my pack very easy to reach. As far as letting your self get robbed , that’s a lame state of mind. Yea if you inexperienced enough to let someone get the drop on you then yea you might have to go along and pray they don’t kill you and they probably will in that trail setting. Tip, don’t let strangers get close watch their eyes and hands. People aren’t the only threat occasionally there is a rouge black bear. I will say this we were heavy and the 40. Cal Glocks were part of being over weight . By the way they don’t weigh 5 pounds unless you taking a cannon. I will concede the next time I will not take the 40. I will only take my pocket rocket as they are known, which is a tiny .22 cal magnum fits hidden in a closed hand so small. But it will get someone or something off of you in a desperate situation. Oh but yes you do need a weapons carry license at least from your state. But don’t worry about the law keep it hid , don’t show it , it’s there to save your life . Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Hike your own hike. I hope you make it back out there soon.
You can get an AR-15 that weighs 2-3 pounds. Other styles of rifle can be had that weigh less than 5lb. A lot of handguns weigh between 13 to 25 oz (unloaded), well under the purported 5lb weight you claim.
Kel-Tec offers 4 models under 1lb in weight:
P-32: 6oz
P3-AT 8.3oz
P-11 14oz
PMR-30 14oz
And this is just from one manufacturer, there are 100s more. Smith and Wesson offers a nice variety of Air-weight revolvers which fire more powerful rounds than the kel-tecs and weigh in around 14oz.
Smith and Wesson’s MODEL 340 PD weighs 11oz and fires a 357magnum or 38 special or 38 special +p. Well under 1 pound and could stop a bear.
Im juzt mostly concerned about the sasquatch have to at least carry 44 mag.
I carry concealed on a daily basis and I’ve done a decent amount of backpacking. I realize that this is an oldvarticle but i am embarrassed by what ivd read here.Margaret is entitled to do what she damn well wants to. Some of y’all have gone from providing input to saying that she is somehow stupid for making her own choices, especially as an experienced thru-hiker.
She’s right. The gun wouldn’t help her in this situation. A gun is just a tool, and with the stated mindset of the blogger, would be useless. You must be willing to kill to protect yourself and your loved ones. Without the will the gun is merely a paperweight. I applaud her sense of self. Just another contender for a shiny Darwin Award.
You are exactly correct this hiker has her mind made up. She already stated she would let herself be robbed. So likely she would roll over and let someone just kill her without a fight as well. Especially without even carting some sort of knife. I see both sides of the gun argument on the at. I will leave that up to the individual but no knife is ludicrous. I personally will carry my small Taurus 38 special. I will also have my small spyderco knife with me on my hike. As a woman my knife is in my pocket every day. Why I would feel naked without it!
Lets be real, she is 23, within the first 2 weeks she is going to either fall on a dick and be with that person and group for the rest of the trail.. or fall in with a group of guys that are Hoping!!! she falls on their dick… she wont have to ever “defend herself” because some idiot 18-25 year old dude who trying to get some will “defend” her…. and everyone that has hiked the AT knows its true…… very few single female hikers make it all the way without sleeping with at least one of their fellow hikers.
There is nothing wrong with being anti gun on the AT, but the reason listed are stupid…
Guns are Heavy 5lbs – Wrong mine is less then 1.5 pounds
The Trail is Low Crime- I live in a “low crime” area, last year less then a block away 5 guys broke into a house armed with knifes …. lucky the single lady living there had a gun, she fired 2 shots, missed, but they ran away. Maybe she should of just welcomed them and given them whatever they wanted, even her life. Huge difference between Low Crime and NO Crime
I Want Other Hikers to Hang out with Me- I carried on my 2012 thru, and for 70 days in the summer of 2014 while on the AT, know how many people knew I had a gun ?? 0, guns aren’t toys they shouldn’t be out for people to see, I had no issues making friends on the trail. If you see someone openly playing with a gun at a camp or shelter LEAVE, and that’s my advice for people armed and unarmed
They’re Impractical- they are only impractical till you need one…. door lock are impractical….until you need them to stop someone from getting in.
Wow, you should be ashamed for this comment.
his comment was real. you should go back to knitting class
Nah that’s the comment of a guy who’s mad no one wanted to sleep with him while he was on the trail lol.
Your reply proves him right, lmao.
Buddy, you’re the one who’s so triggered by this article from five years ago that you had to comment three times. I’m a queer woman and I hiked the entire trail alone, I never fell in with a group.
She says a gun weighs 5lbs. That right there shows me how much of a clueless idiot she is. Not even worth trying to educate.
What gun weighs 5 lbs???????
A very light rifle or shotgun. In handguns, a Smith & Wesson Model 60 .357 mag revolver with a two inch barrel weighs 19 oz, with a 3 inch barrel 24 oz. A semi-automatic Ruger LCP pistol in .380 weighs 9.4 ounces. Plus ammunition in both cases, but since a gun would be purely for defense, very little need be carried: no fifty round boxes.
I think the issue here should not be weight but one’s evaluation of the inherent dangers of putting one’s self in isolated places, with only relative strangers around. Different people will come to different conclusions, and personal attitudes have a place in the decision.
The idea of going for an extended day hike, much less a large portion of the AT without any kind of knife is so far beyond my ken that I have trouble understanding it. I guess the AT must be a linear version of a suburban shopping mall to even consider it. ‘I did it without a knife’ is not the same thing as ‘there is no reason to have a knife’ anymore than is not having medical insurance because you’ve gone years without it.
Why are you even commenting here when you obviously don’t know anything about the Appalachian trail or thru hiking?
People with different experiences bring different perspectives. Experience is transferable to other situations. Your doing the AT without a knife is a very different experience with a different perspective. That’s interesting.
I’m curious about how you did food prep without a knife. I don’t think I could do it in a camp without a lot of prepared food, probably including freeze dried.
By the way, my thru trip around the world was with a Jansport book bag with the outer pocket removed, and a sleeping bag. It took me two years and nine months to go from America and return, then back around again as far as India. So, a different sort of experience, but traveling light and long.
The longest I stayed anywhere was in a small village in Lebanon during the civil war, a bit over two months, with some genuine predators around. At one point a couple guys in a car stopped and offered a Lebanese man $100 to tell me to get in the car with them. That’s well over $400 dollars today. I don’t think they had mere robbery in mind as they had little reason to think I had even that much worth of gear on me.
So I do have personal experience that you were fortunate not to have. That wasn’t the only experience, and some were in America. There really are predators out there, and not all are simply looking to rob a hiker of relatively trivial amounts of used gear.
In any case, this is your post. If you really dislike comments from someone with different experience you can delete any or all my comments.
Nah, you don’t get to come back and pretend you were trying to have productive conversation or interested in different perspectives after “the Appalachian trail must be the linear version of a suburban shopping mall to even consider it” it was belittling and dismissive of other people’s accomplishments because they chose to do something differently than you.
You’re right. That was rude. I apologize.
A 2200 mile trek deserves tremendous respect, and I didn’t give it that. It was surely a life changing experience. Again, I apologize.
Wow is right!!!! When you read something like that it just make you speechless..
The author is an idiot millennial.
Seriously, this is when I knew the author didn’t have a clue what she was talking about. Waste of time.
And this statement is absolutely absurd and was obviously written disregarding any type of unbiased research. ” A gun weighs around 5lbs.” My hiking weapon weighs 12 oz. As far as the various laws are concerned, 5 minutes of research will give you all the information you need to legally carry a firearm on the AT, which is not an issue with a lot of CCW’s, except of course for MD, NJ, NY, MA and CT. Perhaps authors should write unbiased articles about issues and concerns in which they have legitimate interest and expertise?
It takes a certain kind of person to make condescending conclusions based on ignorance and misinformation then make ad hominem attacks on anyone who tries to educate their uninformed opinion
Where exactly are all these as hominem attacks of mine? Or even one?
How many holes can I shoot through The pile of crap & This information that you’ve posted. First off my handgun weighs a little over 3 pounds. And if I can’t handle the extra 3 pounds on any hike then I shouldn’t be on the hike. Number two. I’ll also be carrying a buck knife on my hip is that OK with you. Number three if I go hiking on the trail I’m not going there to meet people and have social events so anyone that wants to as you put it, I don’t remember how you put it. I’ll just say alienate me because I have a handgun with me be my guest I didn’t want to talk to you anyway. Not to mention it looks like you’re getting ready to go hiking with a Rottweiler by your side. Lady you have no right to tell anybody what they should or shouldn’t carry on the trail if you’re going hiking with a Rottweiler or any dog for that matter. But a Rottweiler or pitbull or a big German Shepherd, you and I both know what kind of damage those animals can do to human,, well I know you probably don’t I don’t know which political liberal party you’re spewing all this crap out for you should probably keep it to yourself. You know the old saying people who are afraid of guns should stay home under the table in their glass houses it’s hypocritical for you to walk with a Rottweiler and tell anyone they can’t carry a gun that’s a fact I know you don’t see it have a nice day libby
So you don’t know what a rottweiler is, how to tell time, have a reading comprehension of near zero, and have evidently never seen a pack. Got it.
Margaret, Every single time you run away from a discussion to avoid questions you don’t like by saying “Obviously not a hiker” is an ad hominem attack. Understand? You are attacking the person not addressing the argument.
Seriously! If you don’t see how a gun can prevent a kidnapping, then your as stupid as your post.
She’s going to walk the Appalachian Trail with a Rottweiler and then shake her finger at somebody with a gun yeah OK not to mention I guess she’s never heard of a waistband
A rottweiler. That’s hysterical. Almost as funny as you not understanding why someone wouldn’t be wearing a waistband while backpacking.
How the hell do military units manage to hike through actual untraveled terrain carrying all the same things you do, plus more. And they still manage to carry their weapons.
Girl, you need to lay off your parents pocketbook and get back to reality.
Lot’s of support drops, that’s how. We were usually inserted by helicopters with minimal gear and humped to our objectives. Put in the work required and got resupplied by helicopters who would drop our stuff at 10-15 feet from the ground and then haul ass out. Then when it was safe to do so, we left by helicopters.
geglashthegreat, don’t expect an intelligent reply. She gets trapped with a thoughtful question that doesn’t fit her narrative and she’ll run like hell, usually after and assumption like “you obviously don’t hike..”
Lol I Kno right… This lady is ei hmmther 1 . Kind of delusional or 2. A new age hipster who is scared of a gun and has probably only shit one a few times and only bc everyone else was. A firearm is the one tool you NEVER want to use but if you ever did need to it’s your life on the line. Permit or not I’d be bringing mine. Last I checked they aren’t stop and frisk searching ppl on the trail or checking firearm permits
You wouldn’t. Because you’d never hike the trail.
And no mention of not being at the top of the food chain anymore.
I agree about the gun, no reason to carry especially if your not proficient. A knife thou is something I would refuse to go anywhere outdoors without especially hiking. I carry a Morakniv Fixed Blade fieldcraft blade. It has a carbon steel blade, blade measures 3 1/4 inch and weighs only 4 ounces with its sheath. It has multiple uses and only costs around $14.00. I just can’t figure out why anyone would go on a long hike without a minimum of a pocket knife or both a pocket knife and a small fixed blade knife. Even our pioneer ancestors carried a blade at a minimum not only for basic security, but as a essential tool for fieldcraft. Of course if your hiking with a group of people 24/7 on the AT you might not have to worry about carrying a knife for basic security or fieldcraft. You know, making tinder for fires, sharpening a stick for cooking, making a splint, making a tent pole, wood hiking stick, cutting food, etc. 4 ounces extra weight won’t kill you or your impare your hiking fun! It might just save your life at a maximum.
I appreciate your concerns, but a blade or pepper/bear spray run into many of the same concerns as a gun in terms of practicality. I’m not going to have them in my hands at all times and they’re likely to be inaccessible should I need them for self-defense. I’ll seek to avoid needing them by being aware of my surroundings instead. I am hiking with my dog and that should be enough deterrent for most people who may wish me ill will. Especially on a trail that sees 2-3 million hikers (many of them female and solo) every year and has had less than 20 reported murders or assaults since the 1970s.
I do own a carbon steel blade pocket knife, and it was on some early drafts of my gear list but it didn’t make the final cut. Mostly based on suggestions from trail runners and successful thru-hikers. If you look at pack lists it’s not uncommon to forgo a pocket knife, and certainly, I don’t need one that’s more than 3″ long.
Technology has advanced since the pioneers and I will be carrying a lighter, waterproof matches, and solid fuel tablets.
4 ounces might not seem like much to you, but I think that kind of mentality is how people end up with 20lbs+ for their base weight. 4oz is 2% of my goal base weight. And considering I’ll be carrying food and water for me and my dog, at least for the first couple hundred miles, that still puts me at around 20lbs for my total pack weight.
It’s a personal preference, I don’t expect everyone to go without a pocket knife, but I’ve never yet needed one on a camping or backpacking trip.
Obviously this is a “hike your own hike” thing and it seems like you’ve done a lot of reading, but for what it’s worth I found a knife very helpful on my 2017 NOBO. I’m not a knife guy and don’t carry one on me in everyday life, and I tried to keep my pack light (11 lb base weight) but for cutting cord, opening food, slicing cheese, etc. I was glad I opted to bring one.
https://www.gerbergear.com/Knives/Folding/US1_31-003040
It was a well worth the ounce for all of the small encounters it helped out with. Hopefully this doesn’t seem like me trying to complicate one of a thousand decisions you have to make between now and when you start your hike. Like anything else, you can always change it up once you get started. Best of luck to you. Hopefully this year is drier than last year was.
Shouldn’t your dog be carrying it’s own food, water, coat, and dog bowls in a pack. I’ve down a handful of trips with my dog and she carries all her own things including a first aid kit for herself in her own pack. We have never done anything in a scale like your aboit to do with the AT (although it is a dream of mine) but she loves to have a pack on. Goodluck to the both of you, and take a knife at the very least. It’s a fantastic tool if nothing else
Please take a warm pad for your dog to sleep on. I recall a woman who expected her dog (Tucker) to sleep on the cold ground in winter! How about a dog size sleeping bag?
Rosco will actually fit into my sleeping bag with me, I chose a wide EE with this in mind.
Though I must say, it depends on the dog. If I was taking my mom’s lab for example he’d be happy to sleep on the ground in anything but sub zero temperatures.
Sleep with your dog? That will be really entertaining when he is soaking wet, muddy and shivering. Have you really thought this part through?
Not only have I thought it through I’ve enacted it in the past.
Curious, what do you plan to do with your dog when you get to Maine where no dogs are allowed?
My mom’s actually coming up to Maine for two weeks to camp, and she’ll take Rosco while I’m hiking Kathadin. But there are also doggie daycares nearby.
Rosco might start carrying a pack later in the trip, but I’m going to carry everything to start and see how he’s handling it first. I figure hiking 10+ miles a day for months on end is different from anything we’ve done before, and since I can reduce his risk of injury while keeping my pack weight well within a safe range I’m going to.
Heads up. Dogs aren’t allowed on the Trail in the Great Smoky Mountains. I hike there weekly and on the AT. Back country rangers are present at times on the trail.
They’re also not allowed in Baxter State Park.
The truth is a gun is pretty much useless on a thru hike. The chance of being attacked by a wild animal is almost none existent and you wouldn’t have time to get it out anyway. If a human wants to harm you he’s not gonna meet you at high noon for a gun fight. They would attack you when you had your back turned like evil people always do. Just be careful. Use your common sense just like you do in the real world and you’ll be fine.
What?!? Why do people who don’t carry comment about carrying? When I carry, it’s on my hip concealed by my shirt or jacket. Takes under a fraction of a second to pull from holster. I think the AT is very safe, but…
Have you ever done a long distance backpacking trip? Or worn a pack? Why do people who don’t backpack comment on backpacking?
I’m not commenting on carrying I’m commenting on the fact that I didn’t carry.
It is not that you chose not to carry a weapon (which is very reasonable) it is that you employed strawman arguments (with the exception of the weight issue where you instead greatly exaggerated the weight of an adequate firearm) to get to the conclusion you wanted on the matter. Am I correct in assuming that you have never carried a firearm for protection in your short life, not just on this trip? It sure sounds that way.
Additionally I just wanted to say, there are weird people out there who are smart enough to stay under a radar if their looking to cause dire consequences to a female hiking alone on a wilderness teail with multiple access points, and blogs posted online. There are other things that might and could happen besides being robbed. Security is an ongoing issue no matter where you’re going. As soon as you get complacent, bang, you get had. I think it’s absolutely stupid not to have a minimum of protection along with you be it a blade, or pepper spray.
Snowflake, good luck! You may regret not carrying a knife.
If she does she can easily stop at any one of the thousands of towns the trail passes through and buy one. It’s comments like this that make it obvious that the majority of commenters on this thread have never done a long distance hike.
Similar to how many anti-gun carriers have never been proficient or even knowledgeable with a firearm? or even self defense for that matter? You’re silly.
I’m silly? I’m a gun owner and am very proficient with fire arms. You make the assumptikn thay because I am anti gun kn trail, that I am in all facets of life. You couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve already thru hiked the AT and am about to do it again. If you’ve never thru hiked the AT, then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are in no position to offer ANY advice on the matter.
I absolutely can offer an “opinion” on anything without any experience. This site does nothing to vet who posts about what with no back up. Silly.
There absolutely is a vetting process for writers and bloggers on this site
I dont carry a firearm but I do carry a sheath knife and a good multi tool. I’m a fairly large person but I did run into 2 very sketchy guys in Virginia, I kept walking and as soon as I got down into a thick area turned a quick azimuth hunkered down and watch them walk by looking for me . I think lol
Griz, why is it that every one of your comments ends or starts with the same condescending sentence.
« You’re obviously not a thru hiker or have never backpacked before »
Just because somebody has a different mindset and experience than you doesn’t mean they are wrong.
They’re many ways to compléte any long distance traveling.
You can do it with, or without firearm protection.
So far Thé comments I’ve come across as to why you shouldn’t need a firearm are downright misinformed and make it seem like it’s coming from somebody who either knows nothing about small handguns, or from people Who think nothing bad will ever happen to them.
Being prepared is not living in fear, it’s simply having a piece of mind.
For two reasons. 1. It is obvious that most of these commenters aren’t thru hikers. 2. Most of these comments came in after the article was posted on a gun activist website, and are from gun activists not thru hikers.
If everyone who thru-hiked the AT without a gun were a snowflake, this trail would be snowier than the south pole.
There have been 11 murders in the history of the AT, despite the fact that 3-4 million people hike the trail in some capacity every year. People have also died due to trees falling on their tent in their sleep. Is your tent tree proof? You can’t prepare for every situation, and not everyone let’s an improbable risk dictate their decisions on gear.
Those are number since 1974. How many proceed that? Also, how many have occurred since 1990? Not to mention assaults, rape, disappearances under questionable circumstances?
Better start checking my trees.
If not carrying a knife, at least consider a Gerber or Victorinox multitool. It will prove invaluable may times every day
. I also did the 9 to 5 for many years. Then at the age of 40 yrs. I quit work for New Year 1987 and left Canada to live in the Himalayas of Northwestern India and thirty one years later I have enjoyed every moment of every day. Good and bad, it is all an experience. I have learned the True meaning on pure, free, forever!
That’s amazing Craig! Sounds like it’s been very satisfying for you.
I’m likely to carry a small pocket knife I got from my grandmother that has a few tool attachments, just not something I’m carrying with the intent of self defence.
A good small knife comes in handy. I carry one every where I go. But there’s always someone who has one if you need it. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone used mine to cut a string or open a box. Not a necessity just like to have one.
Never make it with a 12 pound pack and be self sufficient. Sorry.
Joe D Ward = Clueless
1999 thru hike Ga to Me. Smoky Joe. Talk to me when you finish! “Best laid plans of mice and men”
I’ve said it before, I’m planning for my plans to fail. Keep following, I intend to post updates throughout and then when I continue on to the PCT.
I’d hardly be the first to do so. Many have done it with less.
Blue Blazing, Yellow Blazing, Slack Packing, What Ever.
If you are going to yellow blaze, why not just take the Greyhound bus????
Not sure what that has to do with the article about guns though.
:-)I was responding to Joe about yellow blazing. Honestly I don’t spend my day commenting on sites. But since I’m on the subject, and you want a triple crown…. You should always, always have your response ready regardless of how cold, tired hungry, or and this is really big… Peer pressure (very big) you are. When a car pulls up with air conditioning, a bucket of chicken, great music,. And offers a ride, and all of your friends pile in the car for a ride.. You You are ready because you anticipated this seneraio. You say. “No thanks, I am thru hiking the AT, and riding with you would make me not a thru hiker but I would now be a common section hiker”. You could kid yourself that you didn’t catch that ride north and many do. It’s like running 1/2 the Boston Marathon and telling everyone that you finnished. You will know you cheated.
Hey Joe,
Congrats on your thru-hike 18 years ago. What an accomplishment.
However, your assessment is just flat out wrong. Many people hike the AT with 12-pound packs or less each year. There’s an entire category for this type of setup called “Ultralight”. Google it. You’ll learn a thing or two about how things have changed in the last 18 years.
My name is Frost, and I am a triple crown hiker ( every step).
I never carried a knife, but a few razor blades came in handy to repair my pack etc. The idea of a gun is ridiculous.
I’ll be carrying dental floss (thread), needle, and duct tape. I’m likely to take a small multi tool pocket knife, but not something I’m carrying with the intent of self defence. Razor blade is a good lightweight solution.
I hope to be a triple crown hiker someday, kudos.
Look into a product called Tenacious Tape. It’s expensive but for repairs to fabric, tent, clothes it’s amazing. You can find it at REI
I’ll check it out, thanks.
Margret clearly stated in her first post that she would likely carry a pocket knife.
As for the gun. Nobody will likely ever need it.
Some cops have been on the force their entire careers and never needed to pull there gun.
BUT , I’d be willing to bet Molly and Geoff wish they had been trained to carry one.
Your right, you’ll never get to it in time if it’s strapped on or in your back pack.
You must have it on you. You must be able to pull it smoothly with one hand and fire in 1 second or less. If you cannot do that. No use carrying one.
Safe travels
Buck
I agree with not bringing a gun, but I’d advise you to pack pepper spray and have it in your pocket when you hitch-hike/next to you while you sleep (if you ever separate from your trail-family and are camping in the woods alone). I never intended to hitch-hike alone, but I found myself in that situation a handful of times, and its likely you will too. When hitch-hiking, always keep your ID, Money, Etc in your pocket in case your gear gets stolen.
Also, you’re going to want a pocket-knife to cut avocados, cheese, string, etc.
That’s a good point on the keeping the ID on person instead of pack, though it occurs to me none of my hiking clothes have pockets! Hmm.
I think I’ll be limited on hitch hiking anyways since I have the dog, so I might have to rely on shuttles or Uber more often than the average hiker.
I have a little multi tool I’ll probably take but I’m not taking it with the intention of self defence.
Well you see I would be stupid enough to pack that pepper spray so deep into my pack that I’d never be about to use it, so that means I shouldn’t carry it, right? At least that’s one of the authors straw man reasons.
I hike the A.T. and I disagree. I’ve had hunters point guns in my face, 300 LB black bears raid my camp sites, and going without a survival knife is nuts! That’s a really good way to get into trouble.
I carry a gun on the trail, disassembled. I piece it back together when it’s legal to carry and when I sleep in my tent made of absolutely nothing that’s going to save you from a hungry 300 LB bear at 2:00am!
No one has to know you have a weapon if you don’t want them to and it’s perfectly legal.?
Hike your own hike.
Three to four million people hiked the AT every year. Zero of them have died to black bear attack.
A fully-loaded Glock 20 weights 39.5 oz (just over 2 pounds).
A handful of the states on the trail do not recognize concealed carry, but fortunately there is a law pending in the Senate that would force them to…because the Constitution.
If all you’re worried about is crime on the trail, perhaps outdoor recreation isn’t for you.
I’m sorry, outdoor recreation isn’t for me because I don’t want to carry a gun on the Appalachian Trail? Surely I must have misunderstood you?
Sure Steve, why not take an anvil ? Never know when you will need one.
Frost,The average of peer reviewed estimates of crimes prevented by non law enforcement civilians with firearms is over one million crimes prevented per year. closer to 1.5 million. since you are into red herrings, anvils don’t stop any crimes. My off duty/backup .380 pistol weighs in at under 16 ozs loaded.
Steve don’t be ridiculous.
God knows how many IQ points I just lost reading this idiocy.
You lost four IQ points, you have three left. Better get five more guns to protect them.
I carry when I hike. That 2lb never bothers me. I suggest that the author is simply antigun
Do you often go hike for 6 months straight?
Comparing what you do kn a hike bs a thu hike is apples to oranges. 2 completely different situations.
What are you going to say when a thru hiker carries a gun the entire time, other than the few places its illegal? I bet you won’t just start agreeing.
“Do you often go hike for 6 months straight?” OFTEN lol. You have to hike for 6 months straight OFTEN LOL. Whats often so that someone’s opinion matters? do you hike with a gun OFTEN? if not, the STFU.
Whether you carry a gun or bear spray, they’re useless unless you can access them at a moments notice. If I’m hiking with my wife or daughter, I will have one or both of these. I am also very aware of anyone I encounter that appears a little odd. While carrying a gun won’t guarantee your safety, I think most people, when put in an uncomfortable position, would feel much safer knowing they had one. I know I have on several occasions. It’s an individual’s decision and what you’re comfortable with. Just because you choose not to carry, for whatever reason, shouldn’t affect someone else’s decision to.
Of course it shouldn’t. This article isn’t about advising someone else, it’s simply to answer the question and explain to family and friends why I choose not to carry one.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/robert-farago/why-you-shouldnt-take-a-gun-when-hiking-on-the-appalachian-trail-imi-systems-quote-of-the-day/
Thanks for the publicity I guess. Interesting that it was shared as “why you shouldn’t take a gun on the Appalachian Trail” when that’s not the topic of my article at all.
Don’t read too much into all the traffic that is getting funnled here from that site. That site runs the gammit from providing good information to pure clickbait. For the clickbait one thing the site’s owner (Robert Ferago) loves to do is find quotes from people that could be misrepresented as being “antigun” and then post it.
I’m all in favor of carrying a firearm, and frequently carry one. I have been trained, by the US Navy to use a firearm and have found them useful in the past. I won’t be carrying a gun on the AT this year because I don’t anticipate using it, and I am only bringing things that are essential. There are a lot of places that a firearm would be a liability. What if I need to fly home? Would I just throw it in the trash? Would I be breaking the law every time I walked into a post office? Some states don’t allow concealed carry without a permit from that state. I see it as an asset in a very improbable situation, and a liability for most of the trip. No thanks.
This has got to be a joke. No knife, no pockets, no acceptance of wisdom from those with real experience.
The OP will almost certainly not complete the entire AT, and has absolutely zero chance of living through the PCT.
Been there – done that.
Yeah, a human being couldn’t possibly walk around in the world without force multipliers. This guys the pinnacle of trail experience, he must know.
She’s actually getting her information from former thru hikers. You know, people with experience. These are all pretty common opinions on the AT AND PCT. If you’d hiked either you’d already know this.
I’m going to answer for Margaret:
Hike your own hike.
Quite a chip on this young lady’s shoulder. Might get heavy out there on the trail.
I appreciate her 23 year old optimism and naïveté. Let hope that they don’t keep her from making it to 30.
I’m 43 and hiked the entire AT without a firearm and with a mini swiss army knife. I cut paracord with my knife once and sliced some cheese with it. Ever thru hiked? I doubt it.
They have thee things called “holsters,” that let you safety carry a pistol on your waist (usually) that can be accessed in under 2 seconds with practice.
As for weight, an empty Glock 43 is 17.95 ounces and each loaded magazine is 4.41 ounces. A far cry from your claim of 5 pounds.
Man, all you people invading this article from that crappy “The Truth About Guns” post are morons and CLEARLY have no experience with actual backpacking. Have you ever even WORN a backpacking backpack? Probably not, because you don’t seem to realize that they have hip straps that make it almost impossible to comfortably carry a handgun on your waist. And suggesting a Glock for the trail is just hilarious. Carrying one magazine would be silly, and who wants to deal with the weight, hassle, and space of multiple magazines? If you’re going to be so obnoxious as to suggest a gun to someone who just clearly explained why they don’t feel the need to carry one, at least suggest something that might make some sense like a small .357 revolver.
I carry a Ruger SP101 all the time, even when I’m backpacking. I like chest holsters, personally. But I recognize that I’ll probably never have to use it and—like a normal, well adjust person—I have no problem whatsoever with other people choosing not to carry. Getting all triggered because someone else doesn’t want to do something is real snowflake shit.
I completely agree. The “you must carry” folks don’t generally seem to understand the practicalities of backpacking and aren’t showing the author proper respect. I often concealed carry at home, but never when backpacking. Plenty of good reasons have been given to leave the gun at home, but a big one is this: (1) to use it, it must be rapidly accessible, but (2) hip straps make carrying very cumbersome.
Margaret is making a sound choice and has thought through it properly.
Missing from every “must carry” is the basic understanding of risk/reward. Violent crime is so exceptionally rare on the trail as to make the risk adjusted benefit meaningless. (As opposed to my city, where it makes sense).
Good luck on the walk!
That’s pretty much what I carry in a custom chest rig/ camera bag. Doesn’t attract any attention. I go with the SP or a Taurus Tracker and sometimes the Ruger Wrangler. Only time I bring a revolver out is when I’m in my bivy all zipped up. It goes by my right hand and my flash light is on my left lanyarded to my left. I only do this when I’m alone though.
See, that actually makes sense. If I were going to carry for a backpacking trip that’s a good idea and I’d do that. Maybe someday I’ll do a trip where I want one, but probably not on a 6 month thru hike (for me, other people can do what they want).
You do you Margaret. Personally I think your reasoning is perfectly fine (about the gun, anyway…disagree with you about the knife…a good fix-blade knife is invaluable).
Crime on the AT is very low. Last trail death was in 2015 and that was from a fallen tree. Biggest dangers out there are gonna be the weather and accidents. Don’t skimp on your rain gear and have a good first aid kit at the ready. Those kinds of preparations are going to serve you much better than any one-in-a-million scenario where you could use a gun to protect yourself.
Woops. Last trail death was 2017. It was due to a fall.
Margaret–I appreciate that you articulated your opinion without feeling the need to denigrate others who might choose firearms for personal defense. While I carry a firearm almost everyday in my regular life, I chose not to carry a firearm on my Colorado Trail thru-hike for a few of the same reasons you mentioned–weight, and a concern about my ability to keep it secure in hostels, etc. I carried bear spray because the risks from animals was higher than the risk from humans.
I also agree with you that the odds of being a violent crime (or animal attack) victim on a long trail are exceedingly low. (There are about 1 million violent crimes annually in the U.S.) However, I disagree with your conclusion that a firearm would be unreachable or ineffective if your number did come up. You’ll spend 33% of your time in camp or in your tent, where a firearm would be easily accessible if it were on your or near you, and external pockets or pouches are easily accessible. It’s true that those who commit violent crimes sometimes get the drop on their victims; however, that’s not the way all violent crime encounters start, and many potential victims–using their situational awareness–are able to bring a firearm to bear in time. With proper training and situational awareness, firearms are very effective in stopping violent crime
Enjoy your hike! I can’t wait to get back out there myself.
Not taking a knife into ANY wilderness situation is just dumb.
Margaret, I hope your hike is amazing. I love to hike and have done many miles both with and without a firearm. It’s always a constant act of continuous repacking and reevaluating my gear. You are correct, the likelihood of using a gun is low (thankfully) but there still have been a few situations (for me) in which the hike justified the weight of a self defense weapon. It’s your hike and many MANY people do the AT yearly without needing to defend their lives. I hope you are one of those people. But just for your situational awareness I’m gonna leave a link to the dedicated pack that I use, I believe it side-steps a few if not all of your concerns about carrying for defense (except weight) and when I’m not carrying a gun, it makes carrying a whole lot of other things way easier. Give it a look.
http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/6
Ps. I don’t carry a knife either. A razor blade wrapped in cardboard does everything you’ll need a knife for and weighs a tenth of an ounce.
It’s true, you can’t fix Stupid!!!
Wow…just wow at all of these people afraid to do anything without a gun. I hope to never get to that point in my life, but I doubt I will. A life lived in fear is a life not truly live. You have the right idea, Margaret. It’s your hike and you’ll be totally fine. Stay strong amongst these trolls!
People don’t carry guns because they are afraid. They carry them to be prepared. Totally different things. They have nothing to do with living in fear. your outlook is flawed
I understand you rational for not bringing a gun. I am preparing to do the AT myself this year. Could you share what you intend on taking in your bag? I hike a lot and I know i will have different essentials but I always learn a new thing here or there that I may not have considered. Good luck.
Kid, your ignorance, arrogance and exagerated feelings of self-importance are noted. Some of us have worn out far more pairs of hiking boots than you’ve had birthdays. Your attempt at moral superiority and condescension are noted and, while mildly amusing, dismissed. Have a great trip, but deflate your ego a bit. You aren’t doing anything original or daring, or even exceptionally note-worthy. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s still a worthy endevour, if only to explore your own physical and mental limits. But your lack of experience, while extolling your own superiority, is glaring.
Judging by your bio, you’re another coddled Millenial who can’t understand why your exceptionality hasn’t won you a +$100K/year job instead of an entry-level training/learning/experience-gaining position, despite your glowing social justice/modern media qualifications, thus explaining the ‘chuck it all and go hiking’ mentality. Heck, you don’t even plan to be off-line for more than a day or two at a time, or equipped to prepare non-pre-packaged foods en-route. This sounds a lot like boutique hiking rather then actually getting into wilderness.
Enjoy yourself, but learn some modesty.
“Kid, your ignorance, arrogance and exagerated feelings of self-importance are noted. Some of us have worn out far more pairs of hiking boots than you’ve had birthdays. Your attempt at moral superiority and condescension are noted and, while mildly amusing, dismissed. Have a great trip, but deflate your ego a bit. ”
Seems like you’re the one that needs to check your ego. Ever thru hiked in any of those hundred of pairs of hiking boots youve worn through? I doubt it. More likely a 400lb keyboard warrior who dreams of days past when you could lift your leg high enough to walk up a step. Pull your fat lazy ass up out of the computer chair and go walk 2200 consecutive miles if your hip allows it. Bring a 2lb gun and a 10lb bowie knife with ya while you’re at it. See how useful it is. You’ll need a hip replacement before you make it out of Georgia.
The white knighting is strong with this chump. Gross.
He’s a puke-inducing white knight. His only argument is exaggerate things to ridiculous levels and claim to be able to see the future on what someone will or won’t need.
Hey Griz, why don’t make a bunch more guesses on what someone is, what they know and then act like its the truth (get your fat lazy ass…). You are a pathetic child that hasn’t made a single argument against carrying a gun that is worth listening too. Just a bunch of meaningless noise from a white knight. You keep bringing up (guessing) everyone elses hiking experience. Wouldn’t not carrying a gun invalidate anything you said? Let me guess, you’re going to run like coward with a quick “Hike your own hike” as soon as anyone says something you can argue with and don’t like.
The ‘idealism’ of this lady is ridiculous to say the least!
In 2016 I had planned to do the TruHike. Starting from the approach trail I only made it to Neel Gap (Blood Mountain). I did not bring a gun due to I did not have a conceal licenses. But I still brought a Bowie knife just incase, which was on my hip (accessible). Well to set the mood for you guys. It had been gloomy the whole trek and just felt like some bad ish was going to happen. Especially after finding out a girl had hung her self on Springer mountain the night before. Miles behind me.
So that was a bit uneasy already….well long story short.. I get off Blood Mountain at sun down. Meet two college hikers at Neels and we hit it off and drink some Dew and Logan (store owner) let’s up grab a free pizza. He locks up…and it’s night by this time. The folks in the hostile are asleep. 10pm comes around and this guy comes off the road and approaches us… “You guys Christian’s”. My heart drops…”yeah, what’s up” I say….so he apparently need some guidance with his marriage. The whole time I’m shaking my water bottle. He yells “will you stop”.. I say sorry and look at Ian (college kid) he knows to his pocket. He had his hand gun in his pocket with the hammer pulled back! Ready just in case!!! Well this weird dude had alternative motives than just talking about good and his marriage. He demanded I come with him and get in his car…I told him no and he yelled at me . Ethan the other hiker….yelled back “he’s not going” finally the dude left…walking away he turns around and says..”I thought you wanted to be a disciple” wtf….. Moral of story I was much more comfortable knowing Ian had a gun. That weird dude…would had killed me if I was alone… I’m 100% sure. So No…the AT isn’t always safe..
Nothing happened outside your own head…
Nice story. So your friend had a gun, never felt threatened enough to pull out the gun, and the entire thing was resolved without the need for a gun. But man, it was sure nice to have that gun. Lol
“I won’t hitchhike alone.”
I’ll leave it up to the other person to try to save the day.
When seconds count help is only a cell tower and 5 hours away.
I’ve already hiked the AT and all the people saying how you have to carry guns and bowie knives for protection are hilarious. I guarantee the majority of the people commenting have never even stepped foot on the AT. It’s funny how afraid everyone is. Afraid of bears, afraid of strangers, fear, fear, fear. All these gun advocates sounds like a bunch of fearful little crybabies. Oh no! A spider! Git yer gun! Oh no bear running away from you. Git yer gun! He might look back. Oh No! Poison ivy in the wild! Git yer gun! Shoot the vine! Rough estimate but I’d say about 70 percent of the people I saw carrying big bowie knives had 60lb packs and were either off trail by Virginia or had switched over to UL gear and a mini swiss army knife. It’s easy to make assumptions until you’re out there. Once you are, you quickly realize how impractical a firearm is on the AT.
Why are you repeating the same mocking comment?
Rise above this kind of immature response. It’s not a good look on you and really doesn’t help your argument.
You’re an ignoramus. The right to possess a firearm is a birthright for all law abiding Americans. If you don’t like it, leave. No one is forcing you to be here. Take your garbage left-wing communist ideas and stick them where the sun don’t shine.
Griz carries regularly when he’s off trail. You’re funny.
Grizz is a condescending dumbass who talks a lot of smack for someone who hikes one trail once. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who’s concealed carried through more than one through hike.
Margaret,
Wow! Some people sure do get their panties in a bunch don’t they? I personally loved your post since I get the SAME question all the dang time. No, I’m not carrying a gun. No, I will not have bear spray. Yes, I have a very small knife to open things or cut rock tape to bandage my feet, or cut cheese & salami. What will I be armed with? Why, my sharp wit of course!! Obviously most of the commenters have never hiked long distances before.
Maybe they’re jealous because a solo badass woman is attempting such an epic adventure. That WE solo badass women don’t need a gun to feel safe in the woods just because they do.
Whatever the reason, the trolls will be crouching under their bridges while we are out conquering the AT with our fellow non- judgy, awesome, supportive class of 2018. If you carry a gun or don’t, we are all family and we all have each other’s backs. And that’s all the protection we need.
Froggy
Aw thanks I appreciate this.
Margaret, as a backpacker and gun rights absolutist who carries everyday, I am sincerely sorry that your comments section has been invaded by all these jackasses who don’t know what they’re talking about. This is an absolute embarrassment to gun owners. Some crappy clickbait “gun rights” page on Facebook shared your article and that’s why you’re being invaded now. We aren’t all like this, I promise! 🙁
Oh I know, don’t worry.
Hi Margaret,
Are you hiking with your dog? It is my dream to through hike soon and with my dog.
I am! There’s a Facebook group for through hikers with dogs.
Wow. The author’s ignorance is staggering.
1) I carry a gun.
2) If I’m robbed, I will try to diffuse the situation by giving the thief my stuff. But the gun will be ready.
3) I’m not going to rely on the charity of a violent criminal to survive.
4) A defensive firearm can weigh as little as 8 ounces and be carried in a pocket.
5) Said defensive firearm can be deployed in seconds. It can even be shot from within the pocket if total surprise is necessary.
Stick with writing about your hiking. You clearly have no clue when it comes to tactics and ethics of self defense.
Don Mei
Arlington, MA
Originally I had intended to make an argument for the need to carry a firearm, until I found that the writer wasn’t even going to carry a knife. This is when I realized that the writer, rather than making an informed logical decision, was rationalizing not being armed based upon an emotional, ethical or philosophical aversion to weapons. Anyone choosing to carry a weapon, should do so after identifying the potential threat, selecting the appropriate weapon to deal with the threat, training to use it and then preparing yourself mentally to use it. Finally said weapon should be carried in a manner that allows its ready access based upon the threat. I hope that the writer becomes a statistic of just another successful AT hike. That she does not meet one of the predators on the trail that make her the other kind of statistic or that she does not have to watch her dog mauled by a momma bear because it got too close to her cubs and she just had to watch it happen because she was unarmed. “Hike your own hike” is no excuse for improper planning and poor judgment.
I do not have an emotional, ethical, or philosophical aversion to weapons. I’m simply educated enough to know what I do and don’t need to be a successful through hiker.
The granite rocks in the White Mountains can be really tough on a dogs pads. They can get really chewed up. Consider booties for this stretch or at least having them if needed. Most dogs don’t like them at first but its better than cut up pads. We use ruff wear brand.
I look forward to reading about your experiences on the trail, M. It’s long been a dream of mine, but work, kids and life got in the way, and now I think I’m too old at 59. Going with my dog would be the way I’d do it, too. I might bring a small gun, and a small neck-knife in easy reach, but I doubt I’d ever need either for self defense. I’m proficient in martial arts and not a little person, so I wouldn’t be an easy target. Take care, and write often. Write a book about it, too. Good luck!
I hope to write a book, at least for myself.
There’s a lot more that goes into with a dog but for me the trade off is worth it.
I say if you want to do it start planning it, you’re not getting any younger. And you wouldn’t be the oldest one out there. I met a gentleman I estimate to be a bit older than you who had been hiking the trail but wasn’t getting enough miles every day to finish in one summer so he hiked about 400 miles that year and he’s going to keep hiking a section of it every year until he’s done it all.
You’re very right — I’m not getting any younger. I still have some financial commitments that require me to keep on keeping on with the career, for the time being. I’m going to think about this thing, though. I’m in good shape, the knees are good, no physical ailments that would stop me, at least none that I know about. Hmm.
I’ve read a lot of people’s accounts of hiking the AT, as well as the PCT, and other adventure-type journals. Crossing the ocean in a rowboat, doing 30 marathons in 30 days, climbing Mt. Everest with no oxygen, etc. I suppose you have, too. Some of them get pretty gnarly at times, as it isn’t an easy walk in the woods, and people do get tired and hungry and broke. Just have to keep going, and have some kind of support network to call on — sounds like you have your Mom, which is great.
You’re smart to do this now, before circumstances make it impossible. I have two daughters about your age, both graduated from college and in the workforce, both in committed relationships, about to make decisions that will have them busy for decades. I wouldn’t mind a bit if they’d take a break to do something “crazy” like hike for six months or more, and spend some time by themselves thinking about things. I wish I had done the same at that age.
Try and see if you can find a way to make money remotely so you can keep up the financial commitments.
Or just take a two week vacation and hike. Or row a canoe across one the Great Lakes 😉 whatever you have to do. Hell, ask your daughters to go on a two week adventure with you.
One of my favourite things about my hike so far has been the people I’m close to who have said “oh I’ve always wanted to do something like that” and now as many of 6 of them might be joining me for small stretches of the trail.
Okay, I’ll bite: Who are these people who can take off work for months to go hiking?
It sounds like fun and all, but coming home to find all your shit repossessed would kind of blow.
We plan and save and train and priortize.
Now that’s crazy talk, Amy! Planning and saving and prioritizing…you must be some kind of zealot. 😉
So, you have to be job-, family-, and mortgage-free to start with?
Dang.
I’m out.
Haha not hardly. You just have to be creative and dedicated.
For me personally, it did mean being debt free and quitting my job. But I’m young, haven’t finished college, and am not entrenched in a career that I can’t leave.
But there are many who hike the trail because they’re already retired and their income will keep coming in.
Others do it when they’re at a cross roads, right before a big career or job changes and they have plenty of savings before they start to cover mortgage payments.
Many jobs actually give you the option to request a leave of abscence and will let you go chase your dreams, at least once, and come back.
Others, have a job they work remotely, such as coding. Some of us are writers. If you feel a calling you find a way to make it happen.
I thinn it’s fair to say moat of us who hike are looking for something. We won’t find it physically on the trail, but the mental journey we go through that echoes the physical is what helps us find it.
Many of us are going through some sort of big change, a divorce, just finished college, just lost someone, just retired, about to go back to school…
Margaret, that sounds exactly like a “yes”.
I guess I’m still out.
KAF – you’re right, she does mean yes. Early 20s is a great time to do this (or other long term commitments). I did much of the AT when I was 24, before I had to call it quits due to an injury.
At 31, I’m not eager to tell my fiancé “hey doll, FYI I’m quitting my job to go hike all the AT. Mortgage payments won’t be a problem though, I’m selling the condo! See you in a few months!”
I’m not sure what jobs she’s talking about the give you months of leave, but they definitely aren’t common. That said, you can do one-month long backpacking trips which are great.
Good lord, so many pocket fascists in here. Since when did the *right* to bear arms turn into the *obligation* to bear arms, whether you want to or not?
I have no patience for the jerks who want to tell me or anyone else when and where someone needs to carry self defense — but that goes for those lecturing me on when I do just as much as those lecturing on when I don’t. Screw the lot of ’em. If you can’t handle the idea that another freeborn citizen might have different priorities and make different choices than you, that’s between you and your therapist.
Margaret, as a thru-hiker and a CCW permit holder, I agree 100% with your logic. Even if I didn’t, I’d tell you to ignore the chuckleheads and hike your own hike. But then, you already knew that. 🙂
“Pocket fascists” — that’s a good one. I skimmed through the self-righteous blather above myself. People telling other people they’re wrong on the internet is beyond boring by now.
You’re both wrong. There’s a Constitutional obligation to tell people you’re wrong, usually in a demeaning fashion. Also, self righteous blather is required under the 43rd Amendment.
🙂
If you don’t want to carry a gun, that is your business. But you can find a gun for less than five pounds. The Smith and Wesson Shield weighs about 21 ounces. The loaded gun plus two extra magazines will be less than 3 pounds. And I agree that it would useless to bury it in your pack. The Kenai holster is made for hunters and hikers. It will hold the gun securely, protect the trigger from being accidentally pulled, but it puts the gun on your chest instead of around your belt line.
I don’t think you would necessarily freak out your fellow hikers, but I’ve never attempted a long trek like the Appalachian Trail. Have fun and be safe.
” I wouldn’t want it if I was being robbed. In the case of a robbery, I’m always just going to give up whatever I have because no physical possessions are worth my life. ”
Here’s the problem- unless you’re a mind reader, you have no assurance it will remain just a robbery. You have no idea how far an evil person is willing to take things, what their intentions are.
Other than that, I think your thought process is sound, it comes down to a simple risk decision. How likely is it to occur? How bad will the consequences be if it occurs? What can I do to prevent/mitigate and are those costs reasonable for the individual? A very valid point that a firearm can get you into legal trouble as you travel between jurisdictions, so could be more of a negative risk than a positive benefit. Particularly given the other ways you’re mitigating the risk. Your life, your decision. Have fun, and best wishes on your travels.
Even if I’m carrying a gun, if someone attempts to rob me I’m giving them my things. The gun doesn’t factor into that scenario.
As soon as they try to harm me it’s not just a robbery anymore and that’s when I start looking at self defence.
Kid, by that time you HAVE no viable defense. You’re screwed – figuratively and possibly literally.
There’s a saying going around in self defense circles: “It’s not the odds; it’s the stakes.” Simple questions: Please answer carefully.
Are there evil people out there who will rob, rape, kill you if they have the opportunity?
Is there anything so special about you that you will never encounter such people?
If “No”, when do you suppose that could happen? Are there no such people on the trail?
You are not thousands of people. You are a sample of one. On any given day your odds will be either zero or 100%.
At what level of violence are you willing to let your assailant(s) do as he/they wish?
Can you get caught alone on the trail?
Could you pick the wrong Happy Wanderer(s) for mutual support and security?
How would you know, really?
The odds are very high that nothing bad happens. The stakes, if something does go wrong, are prohibitive. Whistling “Kumbaya” past the graveyard is not a effective tactic.
There is a phrase in the defensively oriented community: VBC = Victim By Choice. AKA Snowflake; AKA Sheeple. As in “I never thought it would happen to me.” Relax and enjoy. Nothing bad is going to happen. Unless, of course it does. Odds vs Stakes. Your hike; your choice. What could be more fair than that?
Don’t carry a gun. You’re not ready. A light woodcraft knife could be a lifesaver if you roll an ankle in some unicorn crap and have to shelter in place through a cold wet night. Heat tabs only go so far. Split kindling burns better than wet wood.
Interesting topic. We have two mindsets talking past each other.
“Nothing bad happens out here. Those who tote weapons are just fearful and foolish.”
“Bad things can happen anywhere. Certain precautions are in order.”
Each side is trying to prognosticate against their own visions of an unknowable future.
Jeff
Uh, “if”? I’m going to be camping on the trail every night for a six months. Many places on the trail don’t allow fire.
And if I needed a fire to stay warm/dry/Alive I’d seriously have to reconsider the rest of my kit ?
“And if I needed a fire to stay warm/dry/Alive I’d have to seriously reconsider the rest of my kit?”
No dry tinder? Fire starter? Lightweight Moraknife? To avoid hyperthermia in an emergency? We’re headed down the rabbit hole here. I’m out of this conversation. Good luck and God bless on your hike. Seriously. You’re leaving yourself no room for bad luck.
Jeff
To those who recommend ignoring any posts originating from that gun related website, I’d suggest you google the Genetic Fallacy, whereby arguments or information are accepted or rejected solely on the basis of their source.
Jeff
To those who recommend to carry a gun on an AT thru-hike, I’d suggest you Google “thru-hiking the Appalachian Trail”, whereby you can learn just how few thru-hikers carry guns. It’s next to none. This isn’t a 2nd amendment debate, it’s a debate on whether people should carry a gun on a very specific endeavor- an endeavor in which many comments know nothing about.
Margaret,
Came here via TTAG. Close as I’ve gotten to the AT was a sign for the trail in north GA. Looks and sounds awesome though. I’ve only been car camping and would love someday to finally get with my knuckle headed friends to take a few days on ANY trail. Can’t imagine the preparedness process that goes into REAL hiking like that on the AT, etc. I can tell it’s an art in choosing gear beyond my understanding. I find it refreshing that you wouldn’t try to keep me from carrying my Glock (that I consider essential) if I had the chance to hike the AT and I’m not going to try to demean you over your meticulously and obviously well thought out gear that you’d take based on experience. Be careful out there and God bless!
Thanks I appreciate this comment. I also understand feeling passionately about something and rushing to defend it.
I was where you are for a long time and could never get friends organised to do it with me and one day I had an unplanned four day weekend ahead of me and I finally decided I don’t need anyone else I just want to do it!
https://lighterpack.com/r/bjug8x
That’s my gear list if you’re interested. Love talking about my gear, researching gear, buying gear. Will probably fine tune it between now and April but that’s about the size of it. I don’t think I have a 13L food sack on their or my cord to hang it. But other than that it’s all there.
A lot of chatter! Must have hit a nerve! HYOH. If you need it, bring it. If not, leave at home. I’ve pushed on more often because I smelled pot, not because they had a gun. In many years I’ve run into only one nut job. And I warned all I came across about him. If you get weird vibes, buddy with someone who shares concerns. Enjoy your hike. We do look after our own.
Thanks Mark.
I agree with you. I’m not a thru hiker, but I did the lower 800 miles of the AT last winter. After about a week of hiking I had stripped pretty much everything extra off my body except for the pack itself and the clothes I was wearing. Even my wallet and cell ended up in the pack because it became to uncomfortable to carry on my person. If I had carried my pistol, it would have ended up in the pack also.
A pistol in the pack probably won’t help much in a crisis situation because it would take too long to drop the pack, open the pack, safely unholster the weapon, point it, then fire it. That is too many steps. Too, I honestly cannot think of a good compromise between comfort and accessibility to effectively conceal carry one.
I did, however, carry a skeleton 4″ knife strapped to my shoulder strap. It weighs only a few ounces. Everybody saw it, but it wasnt threatening enough for anybody to say anything about it.
I never had issue with the people on the trail. Even though last winter was a warm one and the bears were out, the only wildlife I had issue with were the shelter mice.
Looking forward to following your posts! Have fun out there.
Thanks! Happy trails.
Seems like this article attracted a lot of gun nuts who want to militarize the AT. Over the last 15 years I have hiked about 7,000 miles of the AT and never once felt the need for a gun. Well, once when I was surrounded by three aggressive day hiker dogs off leash, barking, growling and snapping at me. But then the owner came along and called them off. If I had a gun there would have been three dead dogs and day hiker. Speaking of dogs, you should leave it home too. Dogs are more of a pain then people with guns. Hikers with a dog and a gun (one of which I meet last spring in GA) rarely get very far.
A knife is a necessary tool though. Doesn’t need to be a big one. I carry a 3″ Buck with carbon fiber handle since I like to trim back brush which sticks out into the trail. If a branch tries to poke me in the eye, I stop and cut it out.
12 pound base weight with a dog? I guess your not leaving in March.
You probably don’t know if most people who are carrying a gun even have one. As for my dog, he’s a canine good citizen and will always be leashed. I won’t let him disrupt anyone else’s hike. I certainly won’t be leaving him at home, that would defeat the entire purpose for me.
Won’t be carrying a 3″ knife as a covered in my article, that kind of knife simple isn’t necessary. Will have a small multi tool. I’m going to let trail maintainers and ridge runners worry about things like trimming branches, my focus will be more on leave no trace.
For most people having a dog doesn’t add much to their pack weight since the dog can carry most of its own food and water.
Great Article. At middle age I look back now and wish I’d been as inspired to be independent at your age. If you can pull off your dream of working independently and having more ‘life’ to do the things you find inspiring, more power to you! Regarding guns and men….any man who’d suggest that a woman is going to ‘fall on a d…k’ or just uses men for protection….is again, that so typical sort of man that one should strive to stay away from. Sadly, they seem to think so highly of themselves. I also find it interesting that so many preach ‘Hike your own hike’ until someone wants to actually do that…then they’re oh so critical. LOL Just more people to stay away from. Margret, Hike your own hike. Stay away from negative people. Dream your dreams. Peace and happy journey to you!
I’m lucky to have an amazing mother who has always encouraged me and my siblings to be independent while providing a “safety net” for us should we need help or advice. Now that I’m a little bit older I have a pretty good safety net in the form of emergency savings. But my mom’s still always there if I need her. She’s helping me out a lot with this trip too, taking me down to Georgia, and meeting me at the end in Maine.
I think most of the people so up in arms (heh) about whether I carry a gun aren’t long distance hikers. But it is funny that some hikers tell people they’ll never make it if they take their dog or if they don’t take a stove.
Thanks for reading, happy trails.
Dear Margaret:
I’m an author at the Trek. I’m also an avid trail angel who lives near the northern end of the Smokies, taking my two bloodhounds out two or three days a week doing trail magic; i.e. doing trail maintenance, picking up trash on the trail and at shelters, giving hikers good food and drink and rides to places. Over the last few years of doing this, I’ve met all kinds of hikers with diverse views on what to bring, and how to hike the trail, ranging from: Cooked food vs no cook system, weapon vs no weapon, ultralight vs having everything you THINK you’ll need, tent vs hammock, dog vs no dog, etc…
Looks like your article has definitely set off a shitstorm of controversy. I just want to encourage by saying, “Take heart; this is normal and to be expected”. I know that many have taken offense to the anti-gun points you made in your article, trolling you with critical and sometimes crude comments. Though it may hurt, try not to let their criticisms bother you too much and try to understand that most of these people have strongly held beliefs that they are extremely passionate about and that, for the most part, they are good, caring people who are genuinely concerned for the welfare of our society. After listening to both sides of this gun/weapon issue, I’ve come to realize that people on both sides of this issue make valid, well thought-out points. Nobody is inherently wrong or right. Even though statistics actually don’t yet bear out the dangers of being attacked on the trail enough to warrant a gun, if this were ever to change, those who regularly hike with guns, with the proper training and the will to use them, might be able to save themselves and others. What it boils down to is freedom, caring and respect. I’ve found the hiking community, for the most part, to be a caring, responsible group of individuals who, for the most part, look out for their own. They are all doing their own thing their own way–that’s the good thing about freedom. Though I’ve not yet seen a hiker toting a gun, I have seen plenty carrying big honking Bowie-type knives and even machetes on their hips who seem like the nicest people you’d ever want to meet. I respect them for their choices even if my choice doesn’t always coincide with theirs and am glad that we live in a society where they are free to do so. I’ve also met a few unsavory people; they type that give you a feeling of ill will; whom you wouldn’t want to turn your back on. I’ve met women who’ve told me of having to fake entries in the shelter journals so as to throw off hikers who were stalking them. There is no doubt in my mind the potential for danger present on the trail–particularly for women.
As for each person’s personal choices on how to hike and what to bring, it works better if everyone does their own thing, makes their own mistakes and learns from them. There will be many who offer unsolicited advice and it is best to not reject or criticize them, but to be polite and listen, for you never know whether down the trail you may need to rely on them to help in time of need.
As a trail angel, I too have made choices about what I will and will not bring on the trail–we all do–but the main thing is to ‘get out there and hike’. Hope to meet you and your dog as I roam up and down the trail this year bringing good things to hikers deep in the backcountry.
Happy Trails! Bloodhound, aka #backcountrytrailangel
I was just reading your other blog posts about the trip, and I noticed you had announced you were starting March 13, then April 13, 2017. Why didn’t you do the trail last year? Do you think it’s going to happen this spring?
It was a typo. I didn’t even start writing for the Trek until November of 2017.
How has your first month on the trail gone? Bet you have some good stories to tell. Are you blogging anywhere?
“If it’s inside my pack I’d have to unstrap it, dig through it, find the gun… It would be too late by the time I got it.”
Many centuries ago humans invented a system to transport weapons within reach, for easy access when it was necessary to use.
For swords and similar blades it’s called a sheath or a scabbard. For a gun it’s called a holster.
No knife either?
Well, you just violated rule #9, plus there are knives that very useful, like ERKs (emergency rescue knives.) You’re not thinking about applications that don’t affect you but others, same for the rest of the people here commenting about not using knives.
Who needs an ERK, right? Or any knives with more application than a crappy folding knife. It’s useless. Until you come upon a situation where it would be perfect to have one, but you don’t, because you don’t think ahead. Well done. I don’t want you anywhere near me on a trek.
I agree. This lady will become someone’s needy dead weight at some point on a multi day trip. I do think this entire article is just anti gun propaganda.
The article isn’t anti gun because I’m not anti gun. Anyways today is day 50 and I’ve made it to Virginia.
Maraget, you clearly have no idea how to use ANY defensive weapons. Were your decision based on facts, logic and reason, you would not be getting such reactions. But you decided on ignorance, arrogance, falsehoods, lies and emotion.
So yeah, you get critqued for that. Welcome to the adult world; but you may not be ready for it yet….
Oh the ignorance. Funny how people with backpacking experience agree with me.
Quite a few people with backpacking experience don’t agree with you. Its a sad kind of funny how you’re ignoring them in this very comment section. Of course, your entire article was a list of how someone doesn’t know what they are talking about and an exercise in ignoring reality.
Not carrying a gun is a societal defect. If you are a good person it not only benefits you, but also good members of society who may need to count on you.
“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
Great, if you’re so concerned about it you hike 20 miles a day while carrying a gun.
Hiking 2000 miles without any form of protection is silly IMO. It is too easy to holster a snub nosed Taurus chambered in .454 on your belt. A 12 lbs pack is feather light so using added weight of a handgun plus 12 bullets as an excuse is rather silly. You don’t need to open carry to have the item available at a moments notice. You need it available in 2 seconds notice because you never draw on the drop anyhow. So not making friends is also silly. If you do it right, no one will ever know you have it. Conceal carry reciprocity is a real thing so passing through different states is not silly but perhaps naive. People who carry a weapon also don’t live in a state of fear. That’s just propaganda spread by people who don’t like guns. But if you are a 23 year old female that is too weak to carry a 20 pound bag and won’t even carry a knife, then good luck to you.
12 pounds is my base weight. Food and water for myself and a dog leaves my pack at 30lbs. Being able to carry a 50lb+ pack doesn’t mean it’s a good or safe idea to do it everyday for 6 months straight.
Margaret,
I’m wondering how your hike is going? I haven’t seen any posts from you or about you. What’s up? How’s your gear working out for you?
You can follow my hike on my instagram, haven’t had time to write besides my diary.
Margaret, you’re clearly not hiking the trail. I hope you’re okay, kid. Life doesn’t always (or ever) turn out the way you planned it. Gang afta gley, i.e., “get all effed up.” Good luck to you and other young idealists. 🙂
Hi D, I left Springer Mountain in late March, and am now 500 miles in. Hiking all day and living in the woods has not proved as conducive to writing articles as I thought I would be. Doing very well on the trail and so is my dog. You can follow my progress on my instagram always.underfoot.
Awesome! So glad you’re following your dream. Checked out your Instagram, too — looks like a lot of fun. And…a LOT of hiking. 😉
I’ve been dealing with a bad hip-flexor injury all year and can barely walk the dog these days, so I’m even more jealous than usual. Never let yourself get out of shape, and never get old, is my advice.
Of course – treat firearms with care and respect, but at the end of the day, they’re just a tool. There have been some horrific trailside murders – the sparsity of witnesses and park rangers, I think, can turn a resource predation into a process predation. Someone who in an urban or suburban setting might actually just “take your money and run” might instead decide to eliminate you as a witness due to the increased likelihood of getting away with it on the trail.
At the end of the day, “to carry or not to carry” is a classic American decision – it’s an individual choice. But why not lawfully carry that extra bit of protection in case the worst happens?
It’s been a while since I wrote the article, but I believe I addressed this in the article: it’s not legal to carry a gun for sections of the trail. Some places even if you’re allowed to carry a gun it can’t be loaded which vastly reduces its chance of being useful in a confrontation.
What your suggesting doesn’t seem to be reflected in reality, I’ve never even heard of a mugging on the AT let alone one that turned into a murder just because someone thought they could get away with it.
Have you ever been on the AT? It’s not nearly as remote as you seem to think. I rarely go as much as an hour without passing other hikers.
And then there’s the weight issue. The fact is at this point I’ve sent home my tent, my sleeping pad… I’m not carrying anything I don’t absolutely need everyday. Ounces count when you’re shooting for 26+ miles a day.
This article is just my personal take on why I’m not carrying a gun, everyone else is free to do as they wish.
Hopefully you’re pretty far along now and having a great time. I am one of those people who read this because it popped up from firearms page. I’ve tourist hiked ( meaning for only a few days) on various sections from Georgia to North Carolina, and you’re right. The trail is not a huge wildernesses or barren wasteland. It’s pretty heavily trafficked. Hell, we stopped for beers quite a bit. I’m going to find your social media to see how it went. Stay safe
This is actually a pretty old article, September 28th was the four year anniversary of my Kathadin summit! Rosco, the dog, only made it about 1,300 miles. He was just tired by the time we got to Pennsylvania. I asked him if he wanted to go for a walk one morning and instead of leaping up and running around in anticipation he gave me puppy dog eyes and wagged his tail, obviously saying “please don’t make me”. So my mom drove to PA and got him while I hiked the rest of the trail. I want to do it again someday. I’m a paramedic now. I might end up working for a national park someday, haven’t decided. You don’t get as many emergency runs as you’d think working in a park, and I really love being in a fire station.
A Sasquatch is a frighting thing to run into unarmed Iv heard off alot of supposed sasquatch related abductions.
Please, at least carry a knife. You said you “haven’t needed one yet”, LOL, but that’s exactly what I thought before my kids and I almost died due to lack of a knife while boating. A knife is an essential tool when hiking or backpacking, and even more essential when mountain climbing, spelunking (caving), scuba diving, or boating. Knives have saved the lives of countless boaters, scuba divers, mountain climbers, and spelunkers, so to think hikers don’t need a 4 oz. knife because it’s “too heavy” is ridiculously foolhardy.
Let me tell you what happened to me when I doubted the necessity of carrying a knife while boating.
I had all the legally-required emergency gear including fire extinguisher, flares, smoke signals, flare gun, PFDs, etc., and even optional gear including a marine radio, etc., but the one item we needed most, a knife, wasn’t required by law so I didn’t bring it!
It’s a very embarrassing story, because I was in the Coast Guard Auxiliary at the time, and they had just taught us the necessity of wearing a knife on your PFD (life jacket) at all times while boating, but I stupidly doubted their insistence that a knife can save your life.
Then I bought a boat, a PWC (jet ski) and within a month of buying my boat, quickly found out, the hard way, how wrong I was, how necessary a knife is on the water!
There are so many, many ways a knife can save your life while on the water, but it must be strapped to your PFD (life jacket) at all times, and it must be a knife that can be used with one hand (since America has banned switchblades and stilettos “because Hollywood”, in USA that means a sheath knife, because it’s the only truly one-handed knife that’s still legal in USA. (Yes, I know there are “gravity-assisted opening” knives, but “gravity assist” doesn’t work underwater, and “spring-assisted” doesn’t work reliably enough underwater either, which is when you will most need a one-handed knife to avoid drowning).
Before my personal story, here are just a few of the ways you can die if you don’t have a knife while boating. A line (what landlubbers call “ropes”) can get tangled around your arm, leg, or torso and trap you underwater when your boat capsizes or you fall into the water. You will drown if you won’t have a knife. A folding knife is no good if the line is tangled around one arm, because you’ll need a one-handed knife to cut the line to avoid drowning, and since USA banned switchblades “because Hollywood”, that means a sheath knife in USA. The same thing applies to mountain climbing and spelunking– a switchblade is the best tool to avoid dying when being tangled in a rope while mountain climbing or spelunking (or a line while boating — never call a line a “rope” while boating or you’ll get laughed at, by the way!)
In my case, lack of a knife while jetskiing with two young boys didn’t cause my death or theirs, but it was still a minor disaster. I took my son and his friend out with me to try waterskiing in the Raritan River. Waterskiing tow lines are designed to float, which is an important detail. Even when a jet ski is “idling”, its impeller is still sucking in water, because there’s no neutral gear on a PWC (jet ski), and it’s still moving at about 3 mph, another important detail. While idling, my PWC drifted over the floating tow-line, and the tow line got sucked into the impeller inlet and wrapped around the drive shaft, and like a monkey wrench in the gears, this not only stalled the engine, but totally disabled the PWC. Here we were, miles from home, one man and two young boys on a tiny PWC, drifting with the current and tide out towards the open ocean. Several boats passed us nearby, and we yelled for help, even waved our arms, but these despicable SOB boaters refused to stop and assist us (even though it’s the law, you’re required to help boaters in distress, it’s the g**d**n law!) I had a marine radio with me, but if I called the Coast Guard for help I would’ve been laughed out of the Coast Guard Auxiliary and never been able to show my face there again, because it was my fault for not having a knife to clear the jammed impeller shaft!
Finally, finally, one boater stopped to help us. He said he couldn’t tow us all the way to our launch point, but he towed us to another dock. We explained what had happened, the waterski tow line twisted around the drive shaft, and of course he asked, “Where’s your knife?” There I was in my Coast Guard Auxiliary PFD (life jacket) having to admit I didn’t have one. So, the boater loaned me his knife, and I swam underwater and managed to cut some of the line from the impeller shaft, but I couldn’t get it all, impossible to do that without being on dry land. I cut enough line with his knife to be able to start the engine again, but the PWC was only able to go 5 mph, it was nearly dark, and we were 10 miles from home. My other mistake was being miles from home when it was only a couple hours until sunset, but I’d thought because my PWC had a cruising speed of 60 mph, it would only take me 10 minutes to go 10 miles. Now, with the PWC disabled and only able to go 5 mph, that 10 miles would take me 2 hours rather than only 10 minutes, and it would be dark by then. It’s illegal to drive a PWC (jet ski) in the dark, because they don’t have running lights. While chugging along at 5 mph, it got dark, and were were treated to numerous people yelling at us, calling us names, and screaming at us to get off the water, not knowing we had been disabled (and that so many boaters had passed us while illegally ignoring our cries for help).
Luckily, we didn’t get boarded by the police or Coast Guard and given a ticket, and we didn’t get hit by another boat in the dark. I did have a flashlight, which my son used to avoid getting run over by a bigger boat, and I had all the other emergency gear including fire extinguisher, flares, a marine radio, etc., but the one item we needed most, a knife, wasn’t required by law so I didn’t bring it.
All this could have been avoided if I’d had a knife with me.
The waterskiing tow line
I appreciate your concern and your story, but it’s totally irrelevant because there’s no possible scenario where I’m going to have to cut a rope off me on the AT. There’s really not a single scenario where I’d need more than my Swiss Army knife that I believe weighs less than an ounce. Certainly not one that’s come up in the 2,000 miles of trail I’ve hiked so far.
A large knife is also not something that professional hikers that have hiked tens of thousands of miles of trails carry. I didn’t just arbitrarily opt not to bring one. It’s just not needed, and certainly not needed on the AT.
I appreciate your concern and your story, but it’s totally irrelevant because there’s no possible scenario where I’m going to have to cut a rope off me on the AT. There’s really not a single scenario where I’d need more than my Swiss Army knife that I believe weighs less than an ounce. Certainly not one that’s come up in the 2,000 miles of trail I’ve hiked so far.
A large knife is also not something that professional hikers that have hiked tens of thousands of miles of trails carry. I didn’t just arbitrarily opt not to bring one. It’s just not needed, and certainly not needed on the AT.
Jobless homeless millenial who thinks guns weigh 5lbs. What kind of garbage article is this?
I guarantee I am a more experienced outdoorsman, hiker, and traveler than the author. I live right on the AT and I legally carry a chambered Glock at all times. Literally 100% of the time I am armed and I am on the trail every.single.day. I think the main point the author has trouble grasping is that: If you don’t have a firearm when you need one, you’ll never have the opportunity to need one again.
I successfully thru-hiked the Appalachian trail last year but I’m sure living near the trail you know more about it than I do, and are a more experienced outdoorsman than I am, I’ll give you that point. But the subject of the article was why I chose not to take a gun, not whether or not anyone else should or can. Statistically I’m a lot more likely to fall to my death on the Appalachian Trail than I am to need a gun, and wearing a helmet might save me from that. But I didn’t wear a helmet for the entire duration of my six month hike either.
I don’t live near the trail, I live on the trail. So yes, you are correct. I’ve been on the trail pretty much every day since I wrote that comment. You should probably start wearing that helmet.
I successfully thru-hiked the Appalachian trail last year but I’m sure living near the trail you know more about it than I do, and are a more experienced outdoorsman than I am, I’ll give you that point. But the subject of the article was why I chose not to take a gun, not whether or not anyone else should or can. Statistically I’m a lot more likely to fall to my death on the Appalachian Trail than I am to need a gun, and wearing a helmet might save me from that. But I didn’t wear a helmet for the entire duration of my six month hike either.
And then this happened…
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/us/appalachian-trail-machete-attack/index.html
And I still won’t be carrying a gun on my next long trail.
Obviously, your choice. I would say, however, that if you bothered to write this blog you must have been considering it at one point. If you’re going to considered it, I would encourage you to actually fully understand your options. Perhaps with a proper understanding, you would make a different decision. Perhaps not. Either way, totally cool. Good luck. I hope you stay safe.
No, I never considered it. But when a woman says she’s going to backpack alone for six months the first thing the vast majority of people say is “are you taking a gun”. I do understand my options, and like most experienced long distance hikers and professional backpackers I chose not to carry a gun.
Wowzer. I love the spirited comments displayed here, which represent well the character of people who decide they want to long distance hike, a unique bunch of individualists. It’s part and parcel of why I enjoy hiking, that is, the people you meet. I’m happy to live in a place where we have this recreational choice. I also feel lucky that we can decide to carry a weapon, or not, and can talk – even argue – about it if we choose. Hey, full disclosure; I plan to carry. If you meet up with me you’ll likely never know it, so don’t feel threatened. “Happy trails to you…”.
Excellent comment.
Interesting.. I just got home after spending some time in the Ouachita Mountains. One of the men with us was a Federal Law Enforcement Officer in the National Park system. He said criminals go to these parks because they know most people there have their guard down. He dealt with homicides. So not carrying may not be smart. And not having a way to access the firearm just requires a little thinking to fix. However, hiking armed is a personal decision. Carrying isn’t a bad idea. But it does take some thought and planning. Firearms are like fire extinguishers. You rarely need one, but if you need one, you’ll regret it if you don’t have it. Do what you want, but one opinion doesn’t fit everyone.
As a former LEO I advise anyone who is capable and competent to obtain a permit to carry. A Glock 26 is reliable and easy carry – you can carry with a full magazine and keep empty chamber if it makes you feel safer. Watch this great video by a former Kentucky detective on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvNeS3KSo2o
So… do you have any experience with long distance hiking?
I’m going to say up front that I have no experience in long distance hiking! There, I said it! I do however have experience in being robbed and shot at. I also have experience with being cornered by an angry pit bull before the owner finally showed up and called it off. Wish I had a gun then. I assure you, I do now.
A long trail is a little bit different than real life, and the likelihood of needing a gun is less.
There isn’t a good way to carry a gun in a way that’s accessibly and it wouldn’t do much good in most scenarios if it’s packed away.
There are parts of the trail where you’re not supposed to be carrying gun, or you can only carry a gun if it’s completely disassembled.
You need licenses for concealed carry in some of the states.
Also I was in and out of different post offices at least twice a week.
A gun makes sense in real life, for me personally it doesn’t make sense on the trail.
And that’s all this article ever was, an answer to the question “am I going to carry a gun on the AT”. I didn’t carry it and I did successfully complete the trail.
I applaud your calm grace dealing with the Troll-contingent (at only 23 and beyond!), who are not as comfortable with their adopted stance as you are with your considered one. There are two subgroups on each basic side of the discussion: 1) Procarry-anywhere-anytime-anyhow-whether-you-want-to-or-not, 1) Some knowledgable pro-carry not interested in forcing anything on you few, the knowledgable thruhikers, a smattering of hikeresque flamers, and a few others. I think group 1 and 4 are reactors, and that hurts the causes they rally to. 2 and 3 are sentient, and contribute. You offered your insight, and I detected no intent to pontificate, and yes I noticed the “5 lb” thing (Ok, you were still weighing stuff). Big deal. I am impressed that you made it to Katahdin, and I think, except to the DebbieDowners pedaling fear, you have made your case well. Wow! Got here because I am facing the same question, and noticed the 5 states that would complicate it for me. I am not about needless complexity. I certainly don’t need 3 years in a MD Penn. That’s not type-2 fun, but something else. I would be rich if I was as level-headed in my 20s as you. The mansplaining and condescension I read here are too much! Good Job!
Margaret,
I have zero issues with your choice not to carry a firearm on the trail. While you are very knowledgeable about hiking (pointing it out several times) you are not knowledgeable about firearms and the laws about them. While others have pointed out several inaccuracies in your article (i wont rehash) i would like to point out a few things.
1) there is no state that requires you to completely disassemble a firearm to transport it. None.
People come here to look for advice from experienced hikers and you are giving them your opinion and passing it off as facts (i.e. the gun wont help you, to heavy etc) maybe stick to giving hiking advice.
I didn’t say there are entire states where you have to dissemble a gun to carry it, I said there are sections of the trail that require you have a gun disassembled to carry it, and there are. I’ve hiked the entire trail and seen the signs. Maybe you should fact check. I honestly can’t find a source to back this up and my phone got broken and I lost 700 miles worth of trail photos so I’m not sure if I still have a photo of that sign. I believe the trail goes through a protected section of forest with absolutely no hunting and it does say if you’re going through with a gun it needs to be taken apart. I’ll ask around the hiking community and see if anyone has photos and come back.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Typical liberal. One does not have to disassemble a firearm to carry it on the Appalachian Trail. Trump 2020
Most likely what you are referring to is you need to carry it unloaded with the ammunition or magazine separated.
There is no place in the US where you need to disassemble your firearm. In that case what I would do
is simply put the magazine in my pocket and continue carrying the firearm the same way.
My SIG P938 weighs just under 1 pound, and I bring it on all my state park hikes.
The statements about accessing the gun are inaccurate.
You can fit a sub compact in your hip belt pouch, a fanny pack, belly band, outside or inside the waistband holster,
pack, anywhere you want. Nobody on the trail will know you have it, so there is no chance of being alienated from the community.
Rather not need it and have it, etc. 1 pound of extra security is worth it IMO. You don’t need your first aid kit, but you bring that don’t you?
The chances of needing it are slim, but you bring it just in case. I’m not going to let some psycho cut my throat in my tent, or have to physically
fight some nut job who wants to strangle me. In my opinion, discouraging hikers to be defenseless is irresponsible. Not you, I understand you are just telling people what your personal choices are. I mean the officials who give information about the trail)
My first aid kit consists of duct tape wrapped around my poles, styptic powder, hand sanitizer, a tiny amount of rubbing alcohol, tweezers, a single role of gauze, and some pills. It weighs like 5oz. I also carry a bandana separately so I could tourniquet someone if necessary.
My pack doesn’t have hip pouches, so no I couldn’t carry a gun in them. There’s really not a comfortable way for me to carry a gun. And I’m not defenseless. For starters I’m carrying two 5’ long metal poles with me.
As a Canadian I find it bewildering that anyone would ever even just ask you whether you were going to carry a gun – here, in general the answer would be “Of course not!” I am truly confused and frankly disconcerted by your weird American pro-gun culture. (Yeah, we have guns up here, but they’re generally just ones for hunting, rifles and shotguns. We don’t openly display guns on the wall like I have seen in the states – that’s creepy as hell. Our guns – if we have them – live in concealed lockers. Only police and military carry guns openly. My uncle is a cop and off duty you wouldn’t even know that he owned any guns because they are locked away. The only one that I have ever seen is his old gun that he used when he was younger, which is disabled so it doesn’t even work anymore and it’s still not on display.)
At the very most I carry pepper spray (but only when hiking,) and considering that it easily sends people to the hospital, I cannot imagine any situation apart from actual war where carrying an item literally designed specifically to end another human life would ever be justified. For animals, pepper spray is is the best deterrant recognized by bear biologists too – because like a skunk, it teaches bears that humans are bad news.
And if the pepper spray failed? Trekking poles make mighty good blunt spears – plus it’d HURT to be walloped by one!
Anyway, there’s my peculiar foreign perspective.
You lost all credibility from me (and I am sure others) when you listed that a gun weights 5 lbs as your first argument, and despite overwhelming evidence that that is a false claim (very easy to research, but many commenters stated as well) and you have done nothing to change that fact since it was published in 2018. Then you attack others by claiming they have obviously never backpacked or done a thru-hike when you have no evidence if they have or not? If this is acceptable standards of writers for this website, I guess I need to find a better resource. If you don’t feel comfortable with guns enough to carry on the trail, just make that argument and move on. Any responsible gun owner would understand. I am sure we would suggest more training, but again, just say you aren’t comfortable carrying and leave it at that. Providing inaccurate information and creating straw man arguments do not help your credibility.
In my opinion, the best way to decide this gun issue would be to figure out how many AT hikers actually hike the trail armed with a gun and how many actually used this piece of equipment while on the trail.
I have hiked several thousand miles of trails in NY State without a gun or a knife and so far have never regretted the decision. They may not all weigh 5 pounds but they are a heavy piece of equipment to carry on a hike and if 99.9 % of people hiking with them never use them I would not consider them to be very important. Would you?
This article was never supposed to be an issue article, just addressing whether or not I personally would carry a gun. I never expected the vitriol it resulted in. I don’t care whether or not other people carry one. I didn’t, and I finished my hike in October of 2018, so it’s pretty final at this point XD. Information about what thru hikers carried in their packs is available though, several blogs do post thru hike interviews every year to find most common luxury items, most popular shelters etc. A gun isn’t in most of our packs.
I would like to first address ” I am 23 & tired of punching someone else’s timeclock” ,,,, ALREADY ? at 23? You graduated high school at what 18? Tried college for a year maybe? you been in the work force for 4 years & already tired of working? SMH
On the gun issue, you are young & inexperienced, you also seem naive to me…I agree with others that state there is nothing wrong with being prepared and by carrying 2lbs of gun & ammo, you will be prepared for many, many situations = gun is multipurpose, I also suggest a knife, never know when you might have or need to participate in unforeseen medical/health emergencies, unforeseen rescue emergencies, etc….An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. One more thing I would like to mention, you have now announced to millions your plans & what you will not be carrying…..Do you plan on announcing your departure date & time? and announcing where you are or will be on specific days/dates? If so, your setting yourself up for an attack by the worst animal on the planet…..human —– Be Careful
How sad to have wasted your life making money for someone else and not want to strive for anything more. I’ve through hiked the AT, I’ll wager I’m less naive about the realities of a thru hike than you are. Also, no one ever said there’s anything wrong with carrying a gun on a thru hike. If you want to carry a gun for 2,000 miles you go do it.
Who says they didn’t strive for more? And who are you to decide if someone else has wasted their life? more presumption and guessing on your part. Also, many of your comments pre-date your hike and now you’re using the same fallacy that anyone who hasn’t thru hiked, or has less experience than you do is more naive? Please. “I’ve thru hiked!” is a bullshit excuse to be quickly followed by the cowards “Hike your own hike” when you can’t continue debating without looking stupid.
Just had a recent hike on the lower AT. Carrying was a question I pondered. I hold a CC license. I decided to carry. I carry everyday around the house and work. So hiking is nothing really different. My gun is 2 lbs. fully loaded with 15 rounds. And no! it is not visible to others. That’s the point of CC. No on knows you have it. So scaring other hikers away from me because of that was not a concern. A 5 lb gun is not a CC gun. I would not carry something that heavy – ever. Had an incident where we camped one night – yes there was a road nearby. My lesson learned – I won’t ever do that again. Couple of cars pulled up to do something around midnight. Snuck off into the woods out of site. Glad I had my gun with me. The best situation as any CC person knows is avoid the situation if at all possible. Have never ever had to use it, but I am prepared to with the proper training that I have had. Hope I never have to.
How are you carrying it so that it’s concealed and so that you can access it without having to take your pack off?
This is in no way judgement, as I said in the article I have no problem with other people carrying, on or off the trail. I just didn’t want to deal with the logistics of hiking through 13 different states with a gun, among other things.
Sorry, but I’m still stuck on “ 23 and tired of punching someone else’s clock.” ??
I wonder if the author updated the article after James Jordon hacked up a husband and wife on the AT trail?
I still have no idea when a firearm would protect me though!
No. Because I feel it would be in extremely poor taste and insensitive to Sanchez’s family. Incidentally the man who was killed and the woman who was stabbed were not married. I’m not going to post a piece that would effectively analyze if Sanchez had done things differently he would be alive today.
I will say that I will not carry a gun on future through hikes.
No offense intended, but this article seems to be written by someone with a mentality to rely on the kindness of others, and a “what’s the worst that could happen?” Attitude.
If you’d have to “dig through your bag” to find your gun, you’re probably not the type to be familiar with said gun.
And if someone’s *that* spooked by the sight of a gun, especially on the Appalachian trail, where you’re MILES from any form of outside help at any given time, I didn’t want to be apart of their “community” anyway. Too many city folk think they can gentrify the hiking/nature loving community
1. Having a great dog is the best asset you can bring along in the woods and wilderness, bar none.
2. With my dogs, I’ve honestly never felt the need to carry anything other than a sizeable knife.
3. I think it’s quite unfair of folks to be so hostile and judgmental of one another. I fully support and respect the carrying of a firearm, and I fully support and respect those of you who wish to not carry one. In the end, I wish all of you well, and I know that we all have different life experiences and comfort levels which dictate how we pack. Just because someone else has differences in their life experiences and comfort levels, it doesn’t make theirs any less valid than yours (or mine). Let’s look out for, and support, one another, and also realize that what brings us together can hopefully remain far stronger than what separates us.
Thanks.
Having read the comments. Knowing this post is old, still just in case… my thoughts. To carry or not is an individual decision. I believe ti the saying “God made us the same but Mr Colt made us equal”. Probably misquoted but u get the gist. My opinion.
I have long hike (over a month), primitive, no marked trails, in California desert, jungles of Asia, mountains of Colorado, bush of Alaska. IN Alaska did a trek over 100 miles alone but for a dog. Compass and map only, foot hiking and came out on target. Just giving my qualifications as an experienced trekker, not a hiker… Anyway, to get to the point. I found a SLING SHOT was WAY more useful against man or beast than a gun. Lightweight, non-lethal, nothing likes getting hit with a ball bearing hurtling at that speed. Have used it as a first defense to warn off Grizzly bears and the equally dangerous Moose in Alaska, pesky skunks in Calif. Etc, etc. Had my gun if this failed but never did. Only timed I had to pull my gun wad against some drunk “campers” that threatened my wife. Staring down the barrel with an opening you could put you’re thumb into, has a way of ending a situation instantly. A can of spray, a baton, knife just wont have the same effect. Just my thoughts